I am familiar only with the ancient Hindu Upanisads and the Bhagvadagita , besides I have read a little Psychology. I don't think you would reach the same conclusions on reading them , It took me three decades to formulate my belief and I know it is hard to digest but it is still better than the athiestic view that the majority is accepting nowadays.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > Panta re ouden menai RP. I understand that it would be ignorant to ask for > a science of mysticism but I am connecting the dots between everything > anyway. As I see it absolutes are models to help us conceive of systems, > metaphysical archetypes, a cross-section of imaginary points to reduce the > flow of patterns into something we can grasp. I prefer starting with > overlapping spheres at times but that is irrelevant, a dismissable geometric > aid. No matter how many times I've experienced spiritual insight I > repeatedly reformulate from the bottom up, I suppose that is restless. I > digress. > > On 5/26/2011 11:17 PM, RP Singh wrote: >> >> Ash , as far as we are concerned we are all real , we are neither >> inside nor outside the One . The One is immanent in us. When we say >> the world is an illusion it is because it is changeable and >> destructible. It is not permanent. > > I agree our experiences and nature cause misconceptions, some are valuable > some not because they fit needs to an extent of limited perceptions. I > believe that all things are polymorphic in theory, and I think this > indicates that there is infinite potential explanation for things as they > are, and their interrelations. Fractal geometry grows from the egg, or such. > Everything changes with a spark, which is the culmination of forces driving > a substance to an extreme until critical mass and bam, noetic volition > (previously assumed to be spontaneous combustion or likewise concepts). > Between permanence and impermanence there is everything in between we cannot > see due to limited perspective, and apparent dichotomies dissolve, leaving a > permanence of change. The creative and conservative forces, and their > archetypal children become One and creation and destruction become the > illusion. Maybe. > >> Space and all that is in it has >> sprung from the One , and the One itself is pure Spirit. Our >> individual identities are for a time being only , in actuality the One >> is our real self. There is no such thing as my spirit or your spirit , >> there is only the One Spirit and it is the Absolute. > > If there are published works on the school(s) influencing these ideas could > you reference them, or preferably your own work online (free)? Seeing it all > at once helps. >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> But then either the phenomenal experience granted by this 'corporeal' >>> (apparently) state is occuring within or without or some x-position in >>> relation to One. Something is without a doubt occuring in some fashion, >>> as >>> we wouldn't be holding this conversation. If we are not within one, we >>> are >>> outside of one? Absolutes give me much trouble so I won't be diving into >>> the >>> essence at this time looking to verify our claims. From what state does >>> this >>> perspective come from, to what or whom am I speaking (that this knowledge >>> you propose comes from)? Maybe that is a better start, I apologize for >>> taking the infuriatingly dense student route. >>> >>> On 5/25/2011 11:50 PM, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing >>>> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The >>>> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His existence >>>> identifiable to our understanding. >>>> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world >>>> is a proof of the Self. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed >>>>> from >>>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all >>>>> that >>>>> is immortal. " >>>>> I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if >>>>> one >>>>> sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world and/or >>>>> nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures >>>>> inextricably? >>>>> >>>>> I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun in a >>>>> puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature >>>>> which >>>>> are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less >>>>> brilliant >>>>> and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining through >>>>> nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The >>>>>> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes >>>>>> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the >>>>>> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same >>>>>> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One , >>>>>> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One " >>>>>> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our >>>>>> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from >>>>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all >>>>>> that is immortal. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the >>>>>>> world >>>>>>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from >>>>>>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a >>>>>>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual >>>>>>> view, >>>>>>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and >>>>>>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual >>>>>>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a >>>>>>> beginning or end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the >>>>>>>> observed >>>>>>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality >>>>>>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , >>>>>>>> remains >>>>>>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God >>>>>>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression. >>> > >
