You mean it wasn't clear that I retranslated you? Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of my opaqueness. I thought I was very direct, even too direct sometimes.
I was referring to your view on the realness of the absolute, which you finished with this last sentence: There is no such thing as my spirit or your spirit , there is only the One > Spirit and it is the Absolute. The expression "there is", which you used twice in this sentence, seems to have a pointing function and therefore might cause some form of misunderstanding. Translating this expression into German, it means "es gibt". Literally translating the German back to English it reads: it gives. This, I thought, made it much clearer what I think you meant. Which obviously was a misunderstanding. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:26 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Gabby , if you were to give a re-translation of the full statement and > also tell us whom you are re-translating it would make things a bit > clearer to me. > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:20 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > Since Pat hasn't shown up yet, let me support your stance with a > > re-translation of the "there is" you used, which looks as if it was > pointing > > at something outside, which is not what I understand you wish to express. > > The re-translation from present time German is: it gives. > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Ash , as far as we are concerned we are all real , we are neither > >> inside nor outside the One . The One is immanent in us. When we say > >> the world is an illusion it is because it is changeable and > >> destructible. It is not permanent. Space and all that is in it has > >> sprung from the One , and the One itself is pure Spirit. Our > >> individual identities are for a time being only , in actuality the One > >> is our real self. There is no such thing as my spirit or your spirit , > >> there is only the One Spirit and it is the Absolute. > >> > >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > But then either the phenomenal experience granted by this 'corporeal' > >> > (apparently) state is occuring within or without or some x-position in > >> > relation to One. Something is without a doubt occuring in some > fashion, > >> > as > >> > we wouldn't be holding this conversation. If we are not within one, we > >> > are > >> > outside of one? Absolutes give me much trouble so I won't be diving > into > >> > the > >> > essence at this time looking to verify our claims. From what state > does > >> > this > >> > perspective come from, to what or whom am I speaking (that this > >> > knowledge > >> > you propose comes from)? Maybe that is a better start, I apologize for > >> > taking the infuriatingly dense student route. > >> > > >> > On 5/25/2011 11:50 PM, RP Singh wrote: > >> >> > >> >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing > >> >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The > >> >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His > existence > >> >> identifiable to our understanding. > >> >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world > >> >> is a proof of the Self. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed > >> >>> from > >> >>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in > all > >> >>> that > >> >>> is immortal. " > >> >>> I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if > >> >>> one > >> >>> sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world > and/or > >> >>> nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures > >> >>> inextricably? > >> >>> > >> >>> I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun > in > >> >>> a > >> >>> puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature > >> >>> which > >> >>> are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less > >> >>> brilliant > >> >>> and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining > through > >> >>> nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. > >> >>> > >> >>> On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. > The > >> >>>> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes > >> >>>> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains > the > >> >>>> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same > >> >>>> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One > , > >> >>>> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One > " > >> >>>> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our > >> >>>> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from > >> >>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in > all > >> >>>> that is immortal. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the > >> >>>>> world > >> >>>>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from > >> >>>>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do > think > >> >>>>> it > >> >>>>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a > >> >>>>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual > >> >>>>> view, > >> >>>>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and > >> >>>>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual > >> >>>>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a > >> >>>>> beginning or end. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the > >> >>>>>> observed > >> >>>>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In > >> >>>>>> Non-Duality > >> >>>>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , > >> >>>>>> remains > >> >>>>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. > >> >>>>>> God > >> >>>>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression. > >> >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >
