Gabby , if you were to give a re-translation of the full statement and also tell us whom you are re-translating it would make things a bit clearer to me.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:20 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Since Pat hasn't shown up yet, let me support your stance with a > re-translation of the "there is" you used, which looks as if it was pointing > at something outside, which is not what I understand you wish to express. > The re-translation from present time German is: it gives. > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ash , as far as we are concerned we are all real , we are neither >> inside nor outside the One . The One is immanent in us. When we say >> the world is an illusion it is because it is changeable and >> destructible. It is not permanent. Space and all that is in it has >> sprung from the One , and the One itself is pure Spirit. Our >> individual identities are for a time being only , in actuality the One >> is our real self. There is no such thing as my spirit or your spirit , >> there is only the One Spirit and it is the Absolute. >> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> > But then either the phenomenal experience granted by this 'corporeal' >> > (apparently) state is occuring within or without or some x-position in >> > relation to One. Something is without a doubt occuring in some fashion, >> > as >> > we wouldn't be holding this conversation. If we are not within one, we >> > are >> > outside of one? Absolutes give me much trouble so I won't be diving into >> > the >> > essence at this time looking to verify our claims. From what state does >> > this >> > perspective come from, to what or whom am I speaking (that this >> > knowledge >> > you propose comes from)? Maybe that is a better start, I apologize for >> > taking the infuriatingly dense student route. >> > >> > On 5/25/2011 11:50 PM, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >> >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing >> >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The >> >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His existence >> >> identifiable to our understanding. >> >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world >> >> is a proof of the Self. >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed >> >>> from >> >>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all >> >>> that >> >>> is immortal. " >> >>> I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if >> >>> one >> >>> sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world and/or >> >>> nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures >> >>> inextricably? >> >>> >> >>> I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun in >> >>> a >> >>> puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature >> >>> which >> >>> are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less >> >>> brilliant >> >>> and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining through >> >>> nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. >> >>> >> >>> On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The >> >>>> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes >> >>>> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the >> >>>> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same >> >>>> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One , >> >>>> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One " >> >>>> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our >> >>>> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from >> >>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all >> >>>> that is immortal. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the >> >>>>> world >> >>>>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from >> >>>>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think >> >>>>> it >> >>>>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a >> >>>>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual >> >>>>> view, >> >>>>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and >> >>>>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual >> >>>>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a >> >>>>> beginning or end. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the >> >>>>>> observed >> >>>>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In >> >>>>>> Non-Duality >> >>>>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , >> >>>>>> remains >> >>>>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. >> >>>>>> God >> >>>>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression. >> >>> >> > >> > > >
