Since Pat hasn't shown up yet, let me support your stance with a re-translation of the "there is" you used, which looks as if it was pointing at something outside, which is not what I understand you wish to express. The re-translation from present time German is: it gives.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:17 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Ash , as far as we are concerned we are all real , we are neither > inside nor outside the One . The One is immanent in us. When we say > the world is an illusion it is because it is changeable and > destructible. It is not permanent. Space and all that is in it has > sprung from the One , and the One itself is pure Spirit. Our > individual identities are for a time being only , in actuality the One > is our real self. There is no such thing as my spirit or your spirit , > there is only the One Spirit and it is the Absolute. > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > But then either the phenomenal experience granted by this 'corporeal' > > (apparently) state is occuring within or without or some x-position in > > relation to One. Something is without a doubt occuring in some fashion, > as > > we wouldn't be holding this conversation. If we are not within one, we > are > > outside of one? Absolutes give me much trouble so I won't be diving into > the > > essence at this time looking to verify our claims. From what state does > this > > perspective come from, to what or whom am I speaking (that this knowledge > > you propose comes from)? Maybe that is a better start, I apologize for > > taking the infuriatingly dense student route. > > > > On 5/25/2011 11:50 PM, RP Singh wrote: > >> > >> If we think that we are part of the " Whole " we are sort of dividing > >> up God. He then is no longer an entity but a composite of parts. The > >> truth is that we are not parts but emanations which make His existence > >> identifiable to our understanding. > >> The reflection of the sun is a proof of the sun ;similarly the world > >> is a proof of the Self. > >> > >> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Ash<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> "Our consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed > from > >>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all > >>> that > >>> is immortal. " > >>> I don't think that this must necessarily be the whole truth. What if > one > >>> sees that all things are a part of the whole, that is the world and/or > >>> nature's way, and we perceive diverse phenomena by our natures > >>> inextricably? > >>> > >>> I find it interesting that you would say the reflection of the sun in a > >>> puddle is not the sun, what else is the sun but the forces of nature > >>> which > >>> are the same as in the puddle? Our focus may be pointed at a less > >>> brilliant > >>> and direct portion in comparison to the sun but it is shining through > >>> nonetheless in everything if you know how or where to look. > >>> > >>> On 5/19/2011 10:04 AM, RP Singh wrote: > >>>> > >>>> It is not a matter of perspective but the very nature of things. The > >>>> world is dualistic by nature and God is Non-Dual.The world changes > >>>> over time and is never in a constant state , whereas God remains the > >>>> same always and is unborn , primeaval and indestructible--the same > >>>> cannot be said of the world. It is so easy to say that I am the One , > >>>> but when a needle pricks you you grimace , how can you be the " One " > >>>> when you feel pleasure and pain , happy and depressed. Our > >>>> consciousness makes us think that we are special , far removed from > >>>> matter , but in reality we are mortal and it is the One Spirit in all > >>>> that is immortal. > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Molly<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> How is it possible, from a non dual perspective, to perceive the > world > >>>>> as dualistic in nature, and thus an illusion (and separate from > >>>>> self)? By definition, this view would remain dualistic. I do think > it > >>>>> true that how we view the world forms our experience. From a > >>>>> dualistic view, some are right, some are wrong. From a non dual > view, > >>>>> all views are the One/many paradox that is One. How we view (and > >>>>> experience) birth and death changes as we change. From a non dual > >>>>> perspective, they are only states of transformation and not a > >>>>> beginning or end. > >>>>> > >>>>> On May 17, 2:07 pm, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In duality there is the relationship of the observer and the > observed > >>>>>> , the knower and the known , that is , there are two. In Non-Duality > >>>>>> there is only One and the world which is dualistic in nature , > remains > >>>>>> what it is , just an illusion - i.e. subject to birth and death. God > >>>>>> ,Reality or Atman is Non-Dual and duality is just its expression. > >>> > > > > >
