The truth on swearing is that preventing it is a hostile, dominant act to call someone else's language obscene. We shouldn't do it. This said, I detest the amount of the stuff around in musak. In Britain we have high-brow comedies like The Loop with loads of it in - entirely good fun. We shouldn't be bothered in here. It's part of my routine day.
On Aug 11, 12:26 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Ohh OM, no sir you are wrong on this score. This is apt to happen the > more we guess at anoters motives rather than simply ask 'what did you > mean by that?' > > So let me clarify then. > > When I say: 'yes I will swear with impunity, and damn if others choose > to take offense or not.' > > Can you not see that I cleary say I do not care what anothers reaction > to it is. > > Can you not see that this is differant to: 'it is obvious that he is > in fact > demanding that others accept his behavior even if they do not wish > to.' > > I have to say it cannot be obviouse if you have it wrong. > > It is all about the individual. If I swear in front of you and you do > not like it, no way would I ask let a lone demand you to accept. If > you do not like it, then use your own freedom to say so or otherwise > express you dislike. > > True, I may just shrug my shoulders and tell you ohh well. Or I may, > appoliges and not swear in front of you again, dependant on many > things. But I assure you I do not demand anything of anybody, you are > as free as I to live your life your way. > > On Aug 11, 11:33 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Allan, being rather legalistic about this, you said: “That is a > > misquote Orn,…”. Accepting that all of our posts may contain typos and > > misstatements, if those are the words you wished to present, my > > response that I had used copy/paste along with any review of earlier > > posts by Lee will confirm that this was not a ‘misquote’ by me. > > > You of course may interpret Lee’s "...I speak as I will and expect > > everybody to do the same, …” as not being a demand. He would agree > > with you. And, parsing the phrase, I can see where you both could come > > to that conclusion too. In particular, he may have meant that his > > ‘expect’ation was based upon a personally assumed probability of > > apparent response by other people. I do get this. > > > And, even with this intention, underlying the comment is a firmly held > > expectation of what reality (in this case other people’s behavior) is. > > I interpret this as placing an artificial demand upon one’s > > appearances…that is, what one sees. Yes, this may be seen as a very > > subtle demand, but as I interpret it a demand none the less. > > > Further still, when one reads Lee’s justification of his behavior: “… > > Elswhere though yes I will swear with impunity, and damn if others > > choose to take offense or not. …”, it is obvious that he is in fact > > demanding that others accept his behavior even if they do not wish to. > > This expectation could turn the topic into all sorts of other areas > > such as Political Correctness, doing no harm, the Golden Rule and > > other such notions associated with morality. When seen through this > > lens, I retain my discrimination (in the archaic sense of the term, > > meaning to differentiate) of my best understanding of Lee’s position. > > > Oh, and Allan, no, I’m not running for office!....at least not in the > > political arena you mean. Some might take offense at your backhanded > > compliment…I take in the spirit of levity I assume it to have been > > given. > > > On Aug 10, 11:01 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Orn isn't this copy/paste change the meaning? > > > (indeed my morality would > > > not have me make demands) I speak as I will and expect everybody to > > > do the same, this is no demand from me, but me excersing my will. > > > > Are you practicing to run for political office? If you are let me know > > > and > > > I will figure out hoe to register there.. so I can vote for you.. > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:56 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Allan, it was a copy/paste from Lee's post, so question him if you > > > > don't like the words. > > > > > On Aug 10, 9:53 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > That is a misquote Orn, it is not a demand or as I read it it is not a > > > > > demand, just a statement. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > "...I speak as I will and expect everybody to > > > > > > do the same, this is no demand from me,...:" - Lee > > > > > > > Lee, yes it is a demand. Please read it as if someone else wrote it > > > > > > about something you hold dear. The rest is but false choices. > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 3:37 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I really don't get you at times OM. > > > > > > > > I have made no demands apperant or otherwise.(indeed my morality > > > > would > > > > > > > not have me make demands) I speak as I will and expect everybody > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do the same, this is no demand from me, but me excersing my will. > > > > > > > > Yes some people do find vulgar language offensive, I truely do not > > > > > > > know why, I have simply never done so. I see no logics attached > > > > > > > to > > > > to > > > > > > > it, it is a stance of reactive emotion. > > > > > > > > It is no bad thing also to fly agianst what you call morality in > > > > > > > general, but I guess you mean social mores et al. Indeed America > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > a civil war because some decided to fly agianst such morality. > > > > > > > > Yes I do think that most people would rather be swore at then have > > > > > > > their property stolen or damaged, do you not think the same? > > > > > > > > The latter being not swearing on Google groups? Yes of course, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > are actions and consequenses. If I take the action of swearing > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > the consequences is nobody see's my post. Elswhere though yes I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > swear with impunity, and damn if others choose to take offense or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > The latter being I will not rob or steal, yes indeed, I will not. > > > > > > > > Can you not see the differance though? > > > > > > > > If I throw out a f***k here or there some may be offended, but > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > have their property intact. > > > > > > > > People are a strange lot, it constantly amazes me what some > > > > > > > choose to > > > > > > > get upset about, but you know I never begrudge them their freedom > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do so, even if I do not always understand it. > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 5:59 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In short Lee, your apparent demand to be able to say words that > > > > offend > > > > > > > > others is a stance that flies against morality in general. Of > > > > course, > > > > > > > > we have had these discussions numerous times. You now seem to be > > > > > > > > claiming that people’s attachment to property is more important > > > > than > > > > > > > > people’s attachment to social niceties. You will comply with the > > > > > > > > former and not the latter. Yes, this is true subjectivity! > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 8:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay OM I'll play. > > > > > > > > > > Which examples have you for me of my compliantsey? > > > > > > > > > > Morality being wholey subjective indeed I find no immorality > > > > > > > > > with > > > > my > > > > > > > > > use of what some would term vulgar language. > > > > > > > > > > My passions are of course neither blind and well thought out. > > > > > > > > > > Morality as I say is wholey subjective and so mine says I will > > > > not > > > > > > > > > take or destroy property that does not belong to me, yes I > > > > > > > > > would > > > > call > > > > > > > > > that a moral stance would you not? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s see…to not publically display vehement disregard for > > > > > > draconian > > > > > > > > > > policies, in effect being compliant and going along with > > > > > > institutions > > > > > > > > > > that are anti-human and against humanity is being ‘moral’. > > > > > > > > > > And, > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other hand, following one’s own blind ignorant passions and > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > language with impunity is being ‘moral’ too. I just don’t > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 6:40 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, but my strong morality forbis that! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 12:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or you could loot and rob which is the current sport. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:35 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm in the UK Allen. But as I say this suits me, I > > > > don';t > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > > > > > credit, I don't require deit either. I trust the > > > > > > > > > > > > > cash I > > > > have > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand and if I have not enough cash for a purchase, > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > I'll > > > > > > saveup or > > > > > > > > > > > > > go without. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what country you live and bank in even the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U S > > > > has > > > > > > ATM/debit cards. Because people do not know how to use them.. That > > > > > > is > > > > > > another story,, what I would suggest is go and talk to your banker > > > > about > > > > > > just everything your ATM card > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 14:58, Lee Douglas < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehh as I say though, my ATM card allows me to do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > thing and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing only, take money out the ATM. It is not a > > > > debit > > > > > > card at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one bank account, and in reality it is the > > > > same > > > > > > old building > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sociaty savings acount I had since I was a little > > > > kid. > > > > > > So > > ... > > read more »
