Allan, it was a copy/paste from Lee's post, so question him if you don't like the words.
On Aug 10, 9:53 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > That is a misquote Orn, it is not a demand or as I read it it is not a > demand, just a statement. > Allan > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > "...I speak as I will and expect everybody to > > do the same, this is no demand from me,...:" - Lee > > > Lee, yes it is a demand. Please read it as if someone else wrote it > > about something you hold dear. The rest is but false choices. > > > On Aug 10, 3:37 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I really don't get you at times OM. > > > > I have made no demands apperant or otherwise.(indeed my morality would > > > not have me make demands) I speak as I will and expect everybody to > > > do the same, this is no demand from me, but me excersing my will. > > > > Yes some people do find vulgar language offensive, I truely do not > > > know why, I have simply never done so. I see no logics attached to to > > > it, it is a stance of reactive emotion. > > > > It is no bad thing also to fly agianst what you call morality in > > > general, but I guess you mean social mores et al. Indeed America had > > > a civil war because some decided to fly agianst such morality. > > > > Yes I do think that most people would rather be swore at then have > > > their property stolen or damaged, do you not think the same? > > > > The latter being not swearing on Google groups? Yes of course, there > > > are actions and consequenses. If I take the action of swearing here > > > the consequences is nobody see's my post. Elswhere though yes I will > > > swear with impunity, and damn if others choose to take offense or not. > > > > The latter being I will not rob or steal, yes indeed, I will not. > > > > Can you not see the differance though? > > > > If I throw out a f***k here or there some may be offended, but still > > > have their property intact. > > > > People are a strange lot, it constantly amazes me what some choose to > > > get upset about, but you know I never begrudge them their freedom to > > > do so, even if I do not always understand it. > > > > On Aug 9, 5:59 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In short Lee, your apparent demand to be able to say words that offend > > > > others is a stance that flies against morality in general. Of course, > > > > we have had these discussions numerous times. You now seem to be > > > > claiming that people’s attachment to property is more important than > > > > people’s attachment to social niceties. You will comply with the > > > > former and not the latter. Yes, this is true subjectivity! > > > > > On Aug 9, 8:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Okay OM I'll play. > > > > > > Which examples have you for me of my compliantsey? > > > > > > Morality being wholey subjective indeed I find no immorality with my > > > > > use of what some would term vulgar language. > > > > > > My passions are of course neither blind and well thought out. > > > > > > Morality as I say is wholey subjective and so mine says I will not > > > > > take or destroy property that does not belong to me, yes I would call > > > > > that a moral stance would you not? > > > > > > On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Let’s see…to not publically display vehement disregard for > > draconian > > > > > > policies, in effect being compliant and going along with > > institutions > > > > > > that are anti-human and against humanity is being ‘moral’. And, on > > the > > > > > > other hand, following one’s own blind ignorant passions and using > > > > > > language with impunity is being ‘moral’ too. I just don’t get it. > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 6:40 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Indeed, but my strong morality forbis that! > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 12:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Or you could loot and rob which is the current sport. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:35 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm in the UK Allen. But as I say this suits me, I don';t > > want > > > > > > > > > credit, I don't require deit either. I trust the cash I have > > in my > > > > > > > > > hand and if I have not enough cash for a purchase, then I'll > > saveup or > > > > > > > > > go without. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what country you live and bank in even the U S has > > ATM/debit cards. Because people do not know how to use them.. That is > > another story,, what I would suggest is go and talk to your banker about > > just everything your ATM card > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 14:58, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehh as I say though, my ATM card allows me to do one > > thing and one > > > > > > > > > > > thing only, take money out the ATM. It is not a debit > > card at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one bank account, and in reality it is the same > > old building > > > > > > > > > > > sociaty savings acount I had since I was a little kid. > > So no current > > > > > > > > > > > account, no credit or debit, no cheque book, I deal in > > cash and cash > > > > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 1:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> you mean you do not buy your groceries using your ATM > > card? actually I > > > > > > > > > > >> know that you can take your ATM card and use it at the > > grocery or any other > > > > > > > > > > >> store for that matter that is how business is > > transacted either that or > > > > > > > > > > >> cash.. there is no such thing as checks.. > > > > > > > > > > >> your ATM card in reality is also a debit card,, all > > though it is not a > > > > > > > > > > >> credit card/ debit it is an ATM/debit card.. > > > > > > > > > > >> ideal is very popular over here but it is a local dutch > > system involving > > > > > > > > > > >> dutch banks only very cool and safe.. > > > > > > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>> Ahhh Allan, that may be the case for you, but it is not > > for me. I do > > > > > > > > > > >>> have an ATM card, but it is not a debit card also. > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Aug 5, 7:49 am, allan deheretic < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Lee if you have that little card issued by the bank > > so you can get your > > > > > > > > > > >>>> cash out of a machine that is a debit card then you > > have one..and it > > > > > > > > > > >>> limits > > > > > > > > > > >>>> you to the cash you have on hand.. Personally I like > > the electronic > > > > > > > > > > >>>> banking here in the Netherlands it and the banking > > system is very > > > > > > > > > > >>>> excellent.. I personally have no credit cards either > > just do not like > > > > > > > > > > >>>> them.. My wife has one for emergencies but that is it. > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Allan > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Allan, > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> That is exatly the point. I have no credit or debit > > cards. I do it > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> on porpouse, I do not wish to live beyond my means. > > I mean of course > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that if I have not the ready cash to pay for > > somthing, then I would > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> rather go without it, than owe somebody money for it. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yes this means that if I do not have the cash to pay > > for something > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> then I go without it until I can afford to pay for > > it. But really > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this is the best thing for me. My will power is nil, > > I have a > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> massivly addictive personality, so it is best for me > > to live this way, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> if I can't afford it, I will do without it, if I have > > the cash then I > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> will have what I want. Credit, debit no no no, don't > > take a chance on > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> me with that coz I will fuck you up. And of course > > by fucking you up, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'll fuck myself up. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> No no no, it is easy. If I want something and I have > > not the cash to > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> pay for it then I'll save until I do have the cash. > > Take something > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> now and pay for it later! Are you fucking mad? I'll > > fucking knock ya > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> mate, don't give me credit, it will get you and me in > > trouble. No no > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no, no cash no purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> This is the way I must live my life. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, allan deheretic < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Lee to bad you don't live over here yu would just > > transfer the money > > > > > > > > > > >>> to > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> their bank account via a ATM or Debit card > > depending what you call > > > > > > > > > > >>> it,, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> then the send you the package or you pic it up. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> no need to use a credit card electronic banking can > > be great.. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Allan > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Lee Douglas < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and > > so have no cards. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping > > millions in the > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, > > you can't take > > > > > > > > > > >>> it > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and > > then they still > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Money simply does not 'trickle > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
