Orn isn't this copy/paste change the meaning? (indeed my morality would not have me make demands) I speak as I will and expect everybody to do the same, this is no demand from me, but me excersing my will.
Are you practicing to run for political office? If you are let me know and I will figure out hoe to register there.. so I can vote for you.. Allan On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:56 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > Allan, it was a copy/paste from Lee's post, so question him if you > don't like the words. > > On Aug 10, 9:53 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > That is a misquote Orn, it is not a demand or as I read it it is not a > > demand, just a statement. > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > "...I speak as I will and expect everybody to > > > do the same, this is no demand from me,...:" - Lee > > > > > Lee, yes it is a demand. Please read it as if someone else wrote it > > > about something you hold dear. The rest is but false choices. > > > > > On Aug 10, 3:37 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I really don't get you at times OM. > > > > > > I have made no demands apperant or otherwise.(indeed my morality > would > > > > not have me make demands) I speak as I will and expect everybody to > > > > do the same, this is no demand from me, but me excersing my will. > > > > > > Yes some people do find vulgar language offensive, I truely do not > > > > know why, I have simply never done so. I see no logics attached to > to > > > > it, it is a stance of reactive emotion. > > > > > > It is no bad thing also to fly agianst what you call morality in > > > > general, but I guess you mean social mores et al. Indeed America had > > > > a civil war because some decided to fly agianst such morality. > > > > > > Yes I do think that most people would rather be swore at then have > > > > their property stolen or damaged, do you not think the same? > > > > > > The latter being not swearing on Google groups? Yes of course, there > > > > are actions and consequenses. If I take the action of swearing here > > > > the consequences is nobody see's my post. Elswhere though yes I will > > > > swear with impunity, and damn if others choose to take offense or > not. > > > > > > The latter being I will not rob or steal, yes indeed, I will not. > > > > > > Can you not see the differance though? > > > > > > If I throw out a f***k here or there some may be offended, but still > > > > have their property intact. > > > > > > People are a strange lot, it constantly amazes me what some choose to > > > > get upset about, but you know I never begrudge them their freedom to > > > > do so, even if I do not always understand it. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 5:59 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > In short Lee, your apparent demand to be able to say words that > offend > > > > > others is a stance that flies against morality in general. Of > course, > > > > > we have had these discussions numerous times. You now seem to be > > > > > claiming that people’s attachment to property is more important > than > > > > > people’s attachment to social niceties. You will comply with the > > > > > former and not the latter. Yes, this is true subjectivity! > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 8:16 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay OM I'll play. > > > > > > > > Which examples have you for me of my compliantsey? > > > > > > > > Morality being wholey subjective indeed I find no immorality with > my > > > > > > use of what some would term vulgar language. > > > > > > > > My passions are of course neither blind and well thought out. > > > > > > > > Morality as I say is wholey subjective and so mine says I will > not > > > > > > take or destroy property that does not belong to me, yes I would > call > > > > > > that a moral stance would you not? > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Let’s see…to not publically display vehement disregard for > > > draconian > > > > > > > policies, in effect being compliant and going along with > > > institutions > > > > > > > that are anti-human and against humanity is being ‘moral’. And, > on > > > the > > > > > > > other hand, following one’s own blind ignorant passions and > using > > > > > > > language with impunity is being ‘moral’ too. I just don’t get > it. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 6:40 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, but my strong morality forbis that! > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 12:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Or you could loot and rob which is the current sport. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:35 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm in the UK Allen. But as I say this suits me, I > don';t > > > want > > > > > > > > > > credit, I don't require deit either. I trust the cash I > have > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > hand and if I have not enough cash for a purchase, then > I'll > > > saveup or > > > > > > > > > > go without. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what country you live and bank in even the U S > has > > > ATM/debit cards. Because people do not know how to use them.. That is > > > another story,, what I would suggest is go and talk to your banker > about > > > just everything your ATM card > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 14:58, Lee Douglas < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehh as I say though, my ATM card allows me to do one > > > thing and one > > > > > > > > > > > > thing only, take money out the ATM. It is not a > debit > > > card at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one bank account, and in reality it is the > same > > > old building > > > > > > > > > > > > sociaty savings acount I had since I was a little > kid. > > > So no current > > > > > > > > > > > > account, no credit or debit, no cheque book, I deal > in > > > cash and cash > > > > > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 1:31 pm, allan deheretic < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> you mean you do not buy your groceries using your > ATM > > > card? actually I > > > > > > > > > > > >> know that you can take your ATM card and use it at > the > > > grocery or any other > > > > > > > > > > > >> store for that matter that is how business is > > > transacted either that or > > > > > > > > > > > >> cash.. there is no such thing as checks.. > > > > > > > > > > > >> your ATM card in reality is also a debit card,, all > > > though it is not a > > > > > > > > > > > >> credit card/ debit it is an ATM/debit card.. > > > > > > > > > > > >> ideal is very popular over here but it is a local > dutch > > > system involving > > > > > > > > > > > >> dutch banks only very cool and safe.. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lee Douglas < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Ahhh Allan, that may be the case for you, but it is > not > > > for me. I do > > > > > > > > > > > >>> have an ATM card, but it is not a debit card also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Aug 5, 7:49 am, allan deheretic < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Lee if you have that little card issued by the > bank > > > so you can get your > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> cash out of a machine that is a debit card then > you > > > have one..and it > > > > > > > > > > > >>> limits > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> you to the cash you have on hand.. Personally I > like > > > the electronic > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> banking here in the Netherlands it and the > banking > > > system is very > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> excellent.. I personally have no credit cards > either > > > just do not like > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> them.. My wife has one for emergencies but that is > it. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Lee Douglas < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Allan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> That is exatly the point. I have no credit or > debit > > > cards. I do it > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> on porpouse, I do not wish to live beyond my > means. > > > I mean of course > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that if I have not the ready cash to pay for > > > somthing, then I would > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> rather go without it, than owe somebody money for > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yes this means that if I do not have the cash to > pay > > > for something > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> then I go without it until I can afford to pay > for > > > it. But really > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this is the best thing for me. My will power is > nil, > > > I have a > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> massivly addictive personality, so it is best for > me > > > to live this way, > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> if I can't afford it, I will do without it, if I > have > > > the cash then I > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> will have what I want. Credit, debit no no no, > don't > > > take a chance on > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> me with that coz I will fuck you up. And of > course > > > by fucking you up, > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'll fuck myself up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> No no no, it is easy. If I want something and I > have > > > not the cash to > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> pay for it then I'll save until I do have the > cash. > > > Take something > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> now and pay for it later! Are you fucking mad? > I'll > > > fucking knock ya > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> mate, don't give me credit, it will get you and > me in > > > trouble. No no > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no, no cash no purchase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> This is the way I must live my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, allan deheretic < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Lee to bad you don't live over here yu would > just > > > transfer the money > > > > > > > > > > > >>> to > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> their bank account via a ATM or Debit card > > > depending what you call > > > > > > > > > > > >>> it,, > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> then the send you the package or you pic it up. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> no need to use a credit card electronic banking > can > > > be great.. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Lee Douglas < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit > and > > > so have no cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> As to the supper rich, what is the uses of > keeping > > > millions in the > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you > die, > > > you can't take > > > > > > > > > > > >>> it > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, > and > > > then they still > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Money simply does not 'trickle > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
