You are right Vam and thank you for bring it up.. dharma is the foundation of the major religions. Personally I wish they would get back to it, I think the number count thing is what has destroyed most of the good in the major religions,, as it tends to distort the beliefs. Allan
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > Nothing is essential to Hinduism. I subscribe to to nothing that is > Hindu... except the dharma, which Incidently is as much in Buddhism, > Jainism, Christianity, Jewish, Sikhism and, perhaps, Islam too. And so > too among atheists and agnostics. > > It is the religiosity in each one of them religions, more or less... > the ASSURANCE of salvation that so and so entity will grant, the > BELIEF in what it dishes out whether you agree with or not, understand > or not, and the burning desire to CONVERT others, merely to add > numbers... that characterises the religiosity in the religions. > > Wherever Hinduism does that, which incidentally it does not on close > study, it IS a religion and not the dharma which it claims for its > foundation. > > RP Singh wrote: > > With due respect to your sentiments , Vam , what to you is Hinduism > > ----religion , dharma , or both ? If we go by your response to Lee , > > the answer is ostensibly " Both ". A little turnabout , isn't it ? > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'll be a little sharp here, Lee. > > > > > > The Panth, Akal Takht, and the Amrit rituals in Sikhism is religion, > > > Lee. > > > > > > Eko Onkar... kindness, compassion, unity in diversity, honesty, > > > truthfulness... is dharma. > > > > > > Religion claim dharma but are not. Dharma claims no religion. It just > > > is. > > > > > > There is nothing more to be said on the topic, to those who may > > > appreciate and to those who cannot. > > > > > > Lee Douglas wrote: > > >> Heh yep I disagree with Vam, clearly. I see no differance and see > > >> this as a purely semantic issue. Perhaps Vam simply does not like the > > >> conitations of the word religion (for some) in his own religion. > > >> > > >> I agree that perhaps the word Dharma is not a straight translation of > > >> the word Religion or indeed the other way around. But the concepts > > >> are exaclty the same. See RP Singhs post, he has it right I belive. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sep 12, 4:49 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma and that has nothing > at all > > >> > to do with religion,, as wit all things in evolution meaning of > words also > > >> > change evolve. Well Lee you and I have different concepts than > other > > >> > people. > > >> > Allan > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas < > [email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I'll say it again. I find no differance between the concepts of > > >> > > dharma and religoin. > > >> > > > >> > > What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of > religious > > >> > > practice? > > >> > > > >> > > On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Therefore ? I didn't see the logic. > > >> > > > >> > > > Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal > ! > > >> > > > >> > > > rigsy03 wrote: > > >> > > > > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore > it does > > >> > > > > not exist as a Universal. > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts > generally > > >> > > > > > expressed here : > > >> > > > >> > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, > meaning as > > >> > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, > believing > > >> > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion > drives > > >> > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled > loot. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole > universe of > > >> > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in > and of > > >> > > which > > >> > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which > they are > > >> > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do > the > > >> > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the > freedom and the > > >> > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their > respective > > >> > > > > > consequences. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to > universal > > >> > > > > > values and truths." > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly > monotheistic? Most > > >> > > that > > >> > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you > say some > > >> > > do. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the > terms used > > >> > > are > > >> > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases > in such > > >> > > a > > >> > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been > his > > >> > > intent! > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions > to many > > >> > > eastern > > >> > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : > > >> > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely > with > > >> > > another > > >> > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought > and > > >> > > ideology > > >> > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, > physical > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic > ways of > > >> > > living do > > >> > > > > > > > > none of these. > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the > West and > > >> > > Middle > > >> > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > >> > > > - Show quoted text - > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > ( > > >> > ) > > >> > |_D Allan > > >> > > > >> > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) |_D Allan live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
