Heheh I find it rich indeed that Vam says Hinduism does not seek converts. All the while in India all peoples are said to be Hindu by their goverment!
On Sep 12, 8:59 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Going to the temple and worshiping gods and goddesses in a ritualistic > manner , fasting on special days is religion as in Sikhism , isn't it > ? > Rules of good conduct , honesty etc. is Dharma , is it not ? > Does the intent of conversion alone place religions of the world in > contradiction to Hinduism, the promise of salvation in the > Bhagvadagita is no different than the promise of salvation in other > major religions ,is it not ? > Vam , you are making too much out of the dharma thing. The truth is > that Hinduism is a complex religion , believing in one God at places > and many in others. > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nothing is essential to Hinduism. I subscribe to to nothing that is > > Hindu... except the dharma, which Incidently is as much in Buddhism, > > Jainism, Christianity, Jewish, Sikhism and, perhaps, Islam too. And so > > too among atheists and agnostics. > > > It is the religiosity in each one of them religions, more or less... > > the ASSURANCE of salvation that so and so entity will grant, the > > BELIEF in what it dishes out whether you agree with or not, understand > > or not, and the burning desire to CONVERT others, merely to add > > numbers... that characterises the religiosity in the religions. > > > Wherever Hinduism does that, which incidentally it does not on close > > study, it IS a religion and not the dharma which it claims for its > > foundation. > > > RP Singh wrote: > >> With due respect to your sentiments , Vam , what to you is Hinduism > >> ----religion , dharma , or both ? If we go by your response to Lee , > >> the answer is ostensibly " Both ". A little turnabout , isn't it ? > > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I'll be a little sharp here, Lee. > > >> > The Panth, Akal Takht, and the Amrit rituals in Sikhism is religion, > >> > Lee. > > >> > Eko Onkar... kindness, compassion, unity in diversity, honesty, > >> > truthfulness... is dharma. > > >> > Religion claim dharma but are not. Dharma claims no religion. It just > >> > is. > > >> > There is nothing more to be said on the topic, to those who may > >> > appreciate and to those who cannot. > > >> > Lee Douglas wrote: > >> >> Heh yep I disagree with Vam, clearly. I see no differance and see > >> >> this as a purely semantic issue. Perhaps Vam simply does not like the > >> >> conitations of the word religion (for some) in his own religion. > > >> >> I agree that perhaps the word Dharma is not a straight translation of > >> >> the word Religion or indeed the other way around. But the concepts > >> >> are exaclty the same. See RP Singhs post, he has it right I belive. > > >> >> On Sep 12, 4:49 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma and that has nothing > >> >> > at all > >> >> > to do with religion,, as wit all things in evolution meaning of > >> >> > words also > >> >> > change evolve. Well Lee you and I have different concepts than other > >> >> > people. > >> >> > Allan > > >> >> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas > >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> >> > > I'll say it again. I find no differance between the concepts of > >> >> > > dharma and religoin. > > >> >> > > What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of > >> >> > > religious > >> >> > > practice? > > >> >> > > On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > Therefore ? I didn't see the logic. > > >> >> > > > Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal ! > > >> >> > > > rigsy03 wrote: > >> >> > > > > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore > >> >> > > > > it does > >> >> > > > > not exist as a Universal. > > >> >> > > > > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts > >> >> > > > > > generally > >> >> > > > > > expressed here : > > >> >> > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, > >> >> > > > > > meaning as > >> >> > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, > >> >> > > > > > believing > >> >> > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives > >> >> > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled > >> >> > > > > > loot. > > >> >> > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole > >> >> > > > > > universe of > >> >> > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and > >> >> > > > > > of > >> >> > > which > >> >> > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which > >> >> > > > > > they are > >> >> > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do > >> >> > > > > > the > >> >> > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom > >> >> > > > > > and the > >> >> > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective > >> >> > > > > > consequences. > > >> >> > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to > >> >> > > > > > universal > >> >> > > > > > values and truths." > > >> >> > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? > >> >> > > > > > > Most > >> >> > > that > >> >> > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say > >> >> > > > > > > some > >> >> > > do. > > >> >> > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms > >> >> > > > > > > used > >> >> > > are > >> >> > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases > >> >> > > > > > > in such > >> >> > > a > >> >> > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been > >> >> > > > > > > his > >> >> > > intent! > > >> >> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to > >> >> > > > > > > > many > >> >> > > eastern > >> >> > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : > >> >> > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely > >> >> > > > > > > > > with > >> >> > > another > >> >> > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought > >> >> > > > > > > > > and > >> >> > > ideology > >> >> > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, > >> >> > > > > > > > > physical > >> >> > > and > >> >> > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > >> >> > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic > >> >> > > > > > > > > ways of > >> >> > > living do > >> >> > > > > > > > > none of these. > > >> >> > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the > >> >> > > > > > > > > West and > >> >> > > Middle > >> >> > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > > - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > ( > >> >> > ) > >> >> > |_D Allan > > >> >> > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
