Lee , I would conjecture an explanation : Religious practice is something which comes out of your Faith and dharmic practice is something which comes out of your soul and has no human reason as such a mortal reason would dilute it. If you start laughing without any reason, which I very much doubt , you can put it down to dharmic practice.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Heh rejoice, naaa man I'm not like that. > > No sir I agreed with your definitions, and then I said I see no > differance between what I have called dogma and what you call dharma. > > Let me ask agian what is the point of dharmic practice, what is the > point of religious practice? > > The point of both you understand, not any further definintion. > > Those who think that religion is a root of morality are deluding > themselves Vam. My own morality was there ever before I was old > enough to even hear about the concept of God, wasn't yours? So nope > religon is no reason for being honest. > > By labeling me 'less than' honest, what does this say about the level > of discourse now Vam? > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 1:41 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Sep 13, 2:46 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Meh! Vam giving in so easily? >> >> Rejoice, Lee ! >> >> > Yes Panth and Amrit is religous dogma, and Ik onkar is the root of the >> > faith so could be called dharma. But I say that religous practices, >> > or dogma if you wish is the same as dharma. >> >> You saw the difference but did come back to say there is no >> difference ! So, whilst you can say anything, check up on yourself for >> the contradictions you are dishing out. >> >> > As I asked you Vam, what is the point of dharmic practice, what is the >> > point of religious practice? >> >> Dharma is truth. Religion is claim of truth. >> >> Dharma is honesty without a reason. Religion is reasons for being >> honest. >> >> In fact, in my view, your recent posts are less than honest, less than >> true ( to your own self !). >> Which you can only cover up, in truth, by situating yourself in Dharma >> and not on religion, whatever it be. >> >> >> >> > On Sep 12, 6:27 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > I'll be a little sharp here, Lee. >> >> > > The Panth, Akal Takht, and the Amrit rituals in Sikhism is religion, >> > > Lee. >> >> > > Eko Onkar... kindness, compassion, unity in diversity, honesty, >> > > truthfulness... is dharma. >> >> > > Religion claim dharma but are not. Dharma claims no religion. It just >> > > is. >> >> > > There is nothing more to be said on the topic, to those who may >> > > appreciate and to those who cannot. >> >> > > Lee Douglas wrote: >> > > > Heh yep I disagree with Vam, clearly. I see no differance and see >> > > > this as a purely semantic issue. Perhaps Vam simply does not like the >> > > > conitations of the word religion (for some) in his own religion. >> >> > > > I agree that perhaps the word Dharma is not a straight translation of >> > > > the word Religion or indeed the other way around. But the concepts >> > > > are exaclty the same. See RP Singhs post, he has it right I belive. >> >> > > > On Sep 12, 4:49 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma and that has nothing >> > > > > at all >> > > > > to do with religion,, as wit all things in evolution meaning of >> > > > > words also >> > > > > change evolve. Well Lee you and I have different concepts than other >> > > > > people. >> > > > > Allan >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas >> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > > > > > I'll say it again. I find no differance between the concepts of >> > > > > > dharma and religoin. >> >> > > > > > What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of >> > > > > > religious >> > > > > > practice? >> >> > > > > > On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > Therefore ? I didn't see the logic. >> >> > > > > > > Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal ! >> >> > > > > > > rigsy03 wrote: >> > > > > > > > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore >> > > > > > > > it does >> > > > > > > > not exist as a Universal. >> >> > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts >> > > > > > > > > generally >> > > > > > > > > expressed here : >> >> > > > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, >> > > > > > > > > meaning as >> > > > > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, >> > > > > > > > > believing >> > > > > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives >> > > > > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled >> > > > > > > > > loot. >> >> > > > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole >> > > > > > > > > universe of >> > > > > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in >> > > > > > > > > and of >> > > > > > which >> > > > > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which >> > > > > > > > > they are >> > > > > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the >> > > > > > > > > freedom and the >> > > > > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their >> > > > > > > > > respective >> > > > > > > > > consequences. >> >> > > > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to >> > > > > > > > > universal >> > > > > > > > > values and truths." >> >> > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly >> > > > > > > > > > monotheistic? Most >> > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you >> > > > > > > > > > say some >> > > > > > do. >> >> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the >> > > > > > > > > > terms used >> > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases >> > > > > > > > > > in such >> > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been >> > > > > > > > > > his >> > > > > > intent! >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions >> > > > > > > > > > > to many >> > > > > > eastern >> > > > > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely >> > > > > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > another >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought >> > > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > ideology >> > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, >> > > > > > > > > > > > physical >> > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic >> > > > > > > > > > > > ways of >> > > > > > living do >> > > > > > > > > > > > none of these. >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the >> > > > > > > > > > > > West and >> > > > > > Middle >> > > > > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > > -- >> > > > > ( >> > > > > ) >> > > > > |_D Allan >> >> > > > > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
