On Sep 13, 2:46 pm, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > Meh! Vam giving in so easily?
Rejoice, Lee ! > Yes Panth and Amrit is religous dogma, and Ik onkar is the root of the > faith so could be called dharma. But I say that religous practices, > or dogma if you wish is the same as dharma. You saw the difference but did come back to say there is no difference ! So, whilst you can say anything, check up on yourself for the contradictions you are dishing out. > As I asked you Vam, what is the point of dharmic practice, what is the > point of religious practice? Dharma is truth. Religion is claim of truth. Dharma is honesty without a reason. Religion is reasons for being honest. In fact, in my view, your recent posts are less than honest, less than true ( to your own self !). Which you can only cover up, in truth, by situating yourself in Dharma and not on religion, whatever it be. > On Sep 12, 6:27 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'll be a little sharp here, Lee. > > > The Panth, Akal Takht, and the Amrit rituals in Sikhism is religion, > > Lee. > > > Eko Onkar... kindness, compassion, unity in diversity, honesty, > > truthfulness... is dharma. > > > Religion claim dharma but are not. Dharma claims no religion. It just > > is. > > > There is nothing more to be said on the topic, to those who may > > appreciate and to those who cannot. > > > Lee Douglas wrote: > > > Heh yep I disagree with Vam, clearly. I see no differance and see > > > this as a purely semantic issue. Perhaps Vam simply does not like the > > > conitations of the word religion (for some) in his own religion. > > > > I agree that perhaps the word Dharma is not a straight translation of > > > the word Religion or indeed the other way around. But the concepts > > > are exaclty the same. See RP Singhs post, he has it right I belive. > > > > On Sep 12, 4:49 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma and that has nothing at > > > > all > > > > to do with religion,, as wit all things in evolution meaning of words > > > > also > > > > change evolve. Well Lee you and I have different concepts than other > > > > people. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > I'll say it again. I find no differance between the concepts of > > > > > dharma and religoin. > > > > > > What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of religious > > > > > practice? > > > > > > On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Therefore ? I didn't see the logic. > > > > > > > Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal ! > > > > > > > rigsy03 wrote: > > > > > > > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore it > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > not exist as a Universal. > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts > > > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > expressed here : > > > > > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, > > > > > > > > meaning as > > > > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, > > > > > > > > believing > > > > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives > > > > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled > > > > > > > > loot. > > > > > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of > > > > > which > > > > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the > > > > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective > > > > > > > > consequences. > > > > > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to > > > > > > > > universal > > > > > > > > values and truths." > > > > > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? > > > > > > > > > Most > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his > > > > > intent! > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > eastern > > > > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and > > > > > ideology > > > > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. > > > > > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > living do > > > > > > > > > > > none of these. > > > > > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the > > > > > > > > > > > West and > > > > > Middle > > > > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > |_D Allan > > > > > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
