Fantastic! I've got tomorrow afternoon's reading prepared. Thanks for the link.
dj On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:06 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Incidentally Don (good to hear you again mate) it's not an archy > position - it's Boston Consulting Group. > http://www.bcg.com/documents/file87307.pdf > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. > > > > I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only to have the topic > > return this morning.. > > > > After watching all the demonstrations some thing emerged that does not > make > > sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can straighten me out.. > > > > He goes: If I invest my money in a company say Sky Cat (I like the idea) > I > > am hoping the company will go on to produce me a profit by manufacturing > the > > air type craft. They have my money, I have a share of their company > > because they control my money.. > > > > Now if I give a "Bank" control of my money they do not in return give me > a > > share of their stock like a normal company does.. they invest both their > > money and my money and I have no problem with that,, what I have a > problem > > with is the sharing of the profits.. if there is a profit their share of > the > > money makes more money than mine,, but if they lose money It is my > money > > that is lost not theirs.. > > > > Even if I put money in a simple savings account,, it is investing in the > > bank.. and what I am seeing is a group if people who think the laws of > > economics and moral responsibility. If they lose money,, because they are > > the ones in control morally they should be taking the greater share of > the > > lose.. and that includes the stock market.. > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Chris Jenkins < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new list for > me. :D > > > > > I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause, but I think > > > that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the Egyptians > are > > > warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some good is > > > accomplished along the way. > > > On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst these humble > > > boards > > > > Chris. > > > > > > The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves affected > me > > > > somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are obviously > > > feeling > > > > the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It literally > puts a > > > > face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad folks like > you > > > are > > > > out there recording these times. I mean that because I see in you > someone > > > > without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have never seen > you > > > as > > > > someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious discrepancies in > what > > > > politicians say and what they do. I find your support of Ron Paul > > > > refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the thing I > most > > > > admire about him is his consistency. There are few things our > President > > > has > > > > done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of the list. > Ron > > > is > > > > wrong on this. > > > > > > Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the way, let's > get to > > > > the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation in a post > on > > > G+ > > > > that this may be one of those times when you see Tea Partiers > marching > > > next > > > > to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high unemployment > except > > > for > > > > the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they don't like > it > > > when > > > > they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing something" > but > > > on > > > > the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying to > highjack > > > the > > > > movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the biggest > causes > > > of > > > > our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands of Volts > > > sitting > > > > around not getting sold. This is what happens when government builds > your > > > > cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them better AND > > > > cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see things > quite > > > the > > > > same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path and this > > > disturbs > > > > me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate that they pay > the > > > > most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what government > > > > control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all about. I hate > it. > > > > It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then anything > else > > > > anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes for the > very > > > > wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of the most > > > ardent > > > > celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth sheltered from > > > taxes. > > > > Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't the problem, > our > > > > screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back > scratching > > > and > > > > huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean house in > > > Washington > > > > but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with me who > the > > > major > > > > culprits are. > > > > > > As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments here. While > I'm > > > not > > > > a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a substantial amount > of > > > my > > > > retirement in the market and T-bills. The required destruction of our > > > > current system to come up with something more to Archy's taste I'm > scared > > > to > > > > death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want. That's not > for > > > > me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the tax code I > > > would > > > > welcome. > > > > > > Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :) > > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D > > > > > >>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has been on > the > > > >>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in business > casual > > > attire. > > > >>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate from > them. I > > > want > > > >>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there, coworkers, > > > colleagues, > > > >>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some angry > washed > > > out > > > >>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of their friends > and > > > >>> neighbors. > > > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the "normal" > > > >>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating a sense of > > > >>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We therefore > > > >>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call "left" is > still > > > very > > > >>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is what we > often > > > >>>> perceive as extremely ignorant. > > > > > >>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to take > photos > > > that > > > >>>> deserve the label "independent": > > > >>>>http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules > > > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins < > > > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of marginalization about > the > > > >>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the > > > protesters...create a > > > >>>>> sense of connection. > > > >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see as > happening is > > > a > > > >>>>> good > > > >>>>> > thing, I find. > > > > > >>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather with people > who > > > >>>>> share > > > >>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical mass. I > don't > > > >>>>> think > > > >>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair communication > > > >>>>> beforehand, > > > >>>>> > though. > > > > > >>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people" pictures 22 > > > years > > > >>>>> ago > > > >>>>> > and we won. Go ahead and do it the American (occupying) Style! > > > Learn > > > >>>>> to take > > > >>>>> > scalps if you must but leave the heads on! > > > > > >>>>> > On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > >>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>>>> >> So what do you all think of the various regional Occupy groups > > > >>>>> springing up > > > >>>>> >> around the US, emulating OccupyWallStreet? I'm going out to > > > >>>>> OccupyTampa on > > > >>>>> >> Thursday to do some independent media photography, but am > curious > > > >>>>> about the > > > >>>>> >> perception of the country and world at large. > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > If your life is not going right, try making a left turn > > > > life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >
