I do not know if there is ever a time in history when status quo is preferable or will ever be, except by those who are profiting from the situation under the arrangement and fear the chaos or "anarchy" of change.
But the historical dialogue for a compassionate society, for equal opportunity not skewed by mere might, financial and otherwise, for transparency of public interest and governance decision-making processes, for a life of dignity for all ... for removing corruption in economy, subversion in polity and disintegration in society ... continues through protests calling, then demanding, change. Fortunately, Gandhi, King and Mandela have made it possible for protests to be non-violent, in democracies that do reiterate that value... along with others including belief in dialogue, responsiveness to people needs, human rights and dignity to life, etc. It's time to make it real, time for elites to appreciate that disproportionate appropriation of Light, Freedom, Happiness and Dignity for themselves, unmindful of others or, worse, at their cost is no longer tenable... is socially a crime, yes, a crime, regardless of legal approval. Capitalism is the need, for creating advatages. And, capitalism is the argument, for spreading them. On Oct 7, 5:30 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Jobs considered his being fired from Apple a blessing in disguise and > I wish you the same. Same with his dropping out of school- a waste for > many. > > What do you think retired people of moderate means are going to do in > this enviornment? Here come the death panels! > > On Oct 6, 11:30 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. As > > for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a solid, > > industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, many of my > > former colleagues have joined my ranks. > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and > > > ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to expect > > > some payback. > > > > How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if they > > > spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What > > > business would risk hiring these people? > > > > Most loot is not easily transported. :-) > > > > On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the hopeful > > > > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming together if > > > not > > > > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea Party, to > > > me, > > > > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, again > > > > to > > > > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political > > > corporate > > > > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors > > > although > > > > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their agenda. > > > > > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like > > > Limbaugh > > > > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so forth. > > > It > > > > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are having > > > some > > > > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the real > > > > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By both > > > > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful spending and > > > not > > > > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. > > > > > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it again > > > > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to be > > > coming > > > > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very own > > > > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be > > > > tired > > > of > > > > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad guy in > > > > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere > > > > else. > > > > God help us all. > > > > > dj > > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at > > > > > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. > > > .. > > > > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) Chris > > > > > but an interesting take. > > > > > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. > > > > > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago the > > > > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red Book) > > > > > this > > > > > > really was not a valid reason.. > > > > > > > today I see > > > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...,, > > >especially in the US also to a > > > > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems there are > > > > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there are > > > massive > > > > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than the > > > owner > > > > > no > > > > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer live > > > > > there.. > > > > > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of motor > > > > > homes > > > > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of > > > living.. > > > > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they often > > > > > times > > > > > > in the same or similar situation.. > > > > > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground work > > > will > > > > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is in > > > > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. > > > > > > sigh > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous lose > > > > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in the > > > end,, > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine the > > > > > behemoth > > > > > > > falling. > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has just > > > gone > > > > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The 'money' > > > > > > > > in > > > the > > > > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the world > > > > > > > > of > > > > > real > > > > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and > > > democracy. > > > > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a scale > > > > > vastly > > > > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and > > > Afghanistan > > > > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is that > > > they > > > > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever we > > > put > > > > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an > > > > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me $2 > > > million, > > > > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in an > > > equation > > > > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe Orn a > > > beer > > > > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - the > > > debts > > > > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me is > > > > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've been > > > > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just tell > > > this > > > > > > > > story between EU countries). > > > > > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy came > > > > > > > > on > > > and > > > > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he thought > > > true > > > > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The real > > > issue > > > > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the bottom > > > 50% > > > > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) and > > > that's > > > > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold rushes > > > in > > > > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in > > > > > > > > Manchester > > > > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack of > > > > > > > > opportunity. > > > > > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the price > > > by a > > > > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering work > > > around > > > > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road we > > > have > > > > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be exploited. > > > I > > > > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a plan > > > > > > > > around this but there isn't one. > > > > > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, our > > > > > people > > > > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans couldn't > > > > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's not a > > > half- > > > > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt with > > > the > > > > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making the > > > kinds > > > > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was running a > > > > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not > > > cooperating > > > > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. > > > > > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The > > > collapse of > > > > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could even > > > > > > > > end > > > up > > > > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed if it > > > all > > > > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe if > > > the > > > > > > > bankers > > > > > > > >> and stock market wake up. > > > > > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and the > > > > > United > > > > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate skirt > > > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the entire > > > history > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> > Supreme Court. > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm. > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in political > > > > > speech > > > > > > > is one > > > > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. > > > > > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > > > [email protected] > > ... > > read more »
