Gabby, your comments are always welcome, complimentary or critical. I may not always understand your intentions, or even what you are saying, but your sincerity is without question.
Neil, thanks for the post! It's a lovely endorsement. On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:54 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > I was not sure if Chris would like to see my comments there. That's why I > commented on them under Neil's blog entry here: > http://allcoppedout.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/2091/ > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Fantastic. I commented on a bunch of them. >> >> dj >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Chris Jenkins < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gabby, I hope you approve. I tried my best to follow rule #10: >>> >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334273466494.348470.722681493&l=b50118df79&type=1 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. >>>> As for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a >>>> solid, industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, >>>> many >>>> of my former colleagues have joined my ranks. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and >>>>> ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to expect >>>>> some payback. >>>>> >>>>> How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if they >>>>> spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What >>>>> business would risk hiring these people? >>>>> >>>>> Most loot is not easily transported. :-) >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the >>>>> hopeful >>>>> > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming together >>>>> if not >>>>> > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea Party, >>>>> to me, >>>>> > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, >>>>> again to >>>>> > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political >>>>> corporate >>>>> > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors >>>>> although >>>>> > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their >>>>> agenda. >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like >>>>> Limbaugh >>>>> > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so >>>>> forth. It >>>>> > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are >>>>> having some >>>>> > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the >>>>> real >>>>> > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By both >>>>> > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful spending >>>>> and not >>>>> > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it >>>>> again >>>>> > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to be >>>>> coming >>>>> > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very >>>>> own >>>>> > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be >>>>> tired of >>>>> > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad guy >>>>> in >>>>> > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere >>>>> else. >>>>> > God help us all. >>>>> > >>>>> > dj >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics. >>>>> .. >>>>> > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) >>>>> Chris >>>>> > > but an interesting take. >>>>> > >>>>> > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago >>>>> the >>>>> > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red >>>>> Book) >>>>> > > this >>>>> > > > really was not a valid reason.. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > today I see >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, >>>>> especially in the US also to a >>>>> > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems there >>>>> are >>>>> > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there are >>>>> massive >>>>> > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than the >>>>> owner >>>>> > > no >>>>> > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer >>>>> live >>>>> > > there.. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of >>>>> motor >>>>> > > homes >>>>> > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of >>>>> living.. >>>>> > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they >>>>> often >>>>> > > times >>>>> > > > in the same or similar situation.. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground work >>>>> will >>>>> > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is >>>>> in >>>>> > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. >>>>> > > > sigh >>>>> > > > Allan >>>>> > >>>>> > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous lose >>>>> > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in >>>>> the end,, >>>>> > >>>>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>> > > [email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine >>>>> the >>>>> > > behemoth >>>>> > > > > falling. >>>>> > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has >>>>> just gone >>>>> > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The >>>>> 'money' in the >>>>> > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the >>>>> world of >>>>> > > real >>>>> > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and >>>>> democracy. >>>>> > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a >>>>> scale >>>>> > > vastly >>>>> > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and >>>>> Afghanistan >>>>> > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is >>>>> that they >>>>> > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever >>>>> we put >>>>> > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an >>>>> > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me $2 >>>>> million, >>>>> > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in an >>>>> equation >>>>> > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe Orn >>>>> a beer >>>>> > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - >>>>> the debts >>>>> > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me >>>>> is >>>>> > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've >>>>> been >>>>> > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just >>>>> tell this >>>>> > > > > > story between EU countries). >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy >>>>> came on and >>>>> > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he >>>>> thought true >>>>> > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The >>>>> real issue >>>>> > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the >>>>> bottom 50% >>>>> > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) and >>>>> that's >>>>> > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts >>>>> around >>>>> > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold >>>>> rushes in >>>>> > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in >>>>> Manchester >>>>> > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack of >>>>> > > > > > opportunity. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the >>>>> price by a >>>>> > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering >>>>> work around >>>>> > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road >>>>> we have >>>>> > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be >>>>> exploited. I >>>>> > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a >>>>> plan >>>>> > > > > > around this but there isn't one. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, >>>>> our >>>>> > > people >>>>> > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans >>>>> couldn't >>>>> > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's not >>>>> a half- >>>>> > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt >>>>> with the >>>>> > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making >>>>> the kinds >>>>> > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was >>>>> running a >>>>> > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not >>>>> cooperating >>>>> > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The >>>>> collapse of >>>>> > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could even >>>>> end up >>>>> > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed if >>>>> it all >>>>> > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe >>>>> if the >>>>> > > > > bankers >>>>> > > > > >> and stock market wake up. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and >>>>> the >>>>> > > United >>>>> > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate >>>>> skirt >>>>> > > > > >> Allan >>>>> > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < >>>>> > > [email protected]> >>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the entire >>>>> history >>>>> > > of >>>>> > > > > the >>>>> > > > > >> > Supreme Court. >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm. >>>>> > > > > .. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in >>>>> political >>>>> > > speech >>>>> > > > > is one >>>>> > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >>>>> > > > > [email protected] >>>>> > > > > >> > > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No >>>>> doubt >>>>> > > this >>>>> > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the >>>>> proposals to >>>>> > > greatly >>>>> > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps >>>>> if they >>>>> > > > > >> >> incorporated…. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_. >>>>> > > .. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > > wrote: >>>>> > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other >>>>> bits of >>>>> > > > > banking >>>>> > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while >>>>> contributing >>>>> > > > > nothing to >>>>> > > > > >> >> it >>>>> > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - >>>>> people >>>>> > > also >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I >>>>> went to the >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? >>>>> I'm not >>>>> > > sure >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at >>>>> Greece >>>>> > > nearer >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what >>>>> > > collateral- >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > wrote: >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes? >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> > > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of >>>>> an >>>>> > > ostrich >>>>> > > > > with >>>>> > > > > >> >> its >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not >>>>> doing >>>>> > > > > occupation. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night >>>>> only to >>>>> > > have >>>>> > > > > the >>>>> > > > > >> >> topic >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some thing >>>>> emerged >>>>> > > > > that >>>>> > > > > >> >> does not >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > make >>>>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one >>>>> can >>>>> > > > > straighten me >>>>> > >>>>> > ... >>>>> > >>>>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>>>> > >>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
