I hope to witness something that leads to exactly that, Allan.
On Oct 5, 2011 4:43 PM, "Allan H" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe if the bankers
> and stock market wake up.
>
> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and the United
> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate skirt
> Allan
> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the entire history of the
>> Supreme Court.
>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission
>>
>> Restricting unions while empowering corporations in political speech is
one
>> of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind <
[email protected]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No doubt this
>>> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the proposals to greatly
>>> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps if they
>>> incorporated….
>>>
>>>
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_wall
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other bits of banking
>>> > nastiness that prune money from the system while contributing nothing
to
>>> it
>>> > are part of the problem.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - people also
>>> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I went to the
>>> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? I'm not sure
>>> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at Greece nearer
>>> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what collateral-
>>> > > derivative fractional banking was.
>>> >
>>> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes?
>>> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an ostrich with
>>> its
>>> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not doing occupation.
>>> >
>>> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don..
>>> >
>>> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night only to have
the
>>> topic
>>> > > > >> return this morning..
>>> >
>>> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some thing emerged that
>>> does not
>>> > > > make
>>> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one can straighten
me
>>> > > out..
>>> >
>>> > > > >> He goes: If I invest my money in a company say Sky Cat (I like
>>> the
>>> > > idea)
>>> > > > I
>>> > > > >> am hoping the company will go on to produce me a profit by
>>> > > manufacturing
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> air type craft. They have my money, I have a share of their
>>> company
>>> > > > >> because they control my money..
>>> >
>>> > > > >> Now if I give a "Bank" control of my money they do not in
return
>>> give
>>> > > me
>>> > > > a
>>> > > > >> share of their stock like a normal company does.. they invest
>>> both
>>> > > their
>>> > > > >> money and my money and I have no problem with that,, what I
have
>>> a
>>> > > > problem
>>> > > > >> with is the sharing of the profits.. if there is a profit their
>>> share
>>> > > of
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> money makes more money than mine,, but if they lose money It
>>> is my
>>> > > > money
>>> > > > >> that is lost not theirs..
>>> >
>>> > > > >> Even if I put money in a simple savings account,, it is
>>> investing in
>>> > > the
>>> > > > >> bank.. and what I am seeing is a group if people who think the
>>> laws
>>> > > of
>>> > > > >> economics and moral responsibility. If they lose money,,
because
>>> they
>>> > > are
>>> > > > >> the ones in control morally they should be taking the greater
>>> share of
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> lose.. and that includes the stock market..
>>> > > > >> Allan
>>> >
>>> > > > >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Chris Jenkins <
>>> > > [email protected]
>>> > > > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > Leaving moderation behind has made it feel like a whole new
>>> list for
>>> > > > me. :D
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > I too am worried about undue influence coopting the cause,
but
>>> I
>>> > > think
>>> > > > >> > that's an inevitability of any populist movement. Even the
>>> Egyptians
>>> > > > are
>>> > > > >> > warily eyeing their "liberated" government. I just hope some
>>> good is
>>> > > > >> > accomplished along the way.
>>> > > > >> > On Oct 3, 2011 7:15 PM, "Don Johnson" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >> > > I'm very glad to see your august presence back amongst
these
>>> > > humble
>>> > > > >> > boards
>>> > > > >> > > Chris.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > > The self portraits of 99%s with notes describing themselves
>>> > > affected
>>> > > > me
>>> > > > >> > > somewhat. Some are easy to dismiss as whiny but many are
>>> obviously
>>> > > > >> > feeling
>>> > > > >> > > the same pain I see in family and friends around me. It
>>> literally
>>> > > > puts a
>>> > > > >> > > face, many faces actually, on our problems. I'm very glad
>>> folks
>>> > > like
>>> > > > you
>>> > > > >> > are
>>> > > > >> > > out there recording these times. I mean that because I see
in
>>> you
>>> > > > someone
>>> > > > >> > > without a particular agenda other then improvement. I have
>>> never
>>> > > seen
>>> > > > you
>>> > > > >> > as
>>> > > > >> > > someone that ignores or tries to cover up obvious
>>> discrepancies in
>>> > > > what
>>> > > > >> > > politicians say and what they do. I find your support of
Ron
>>> Paul
>>> > > > >> > > refreshing. While I disagree with many of his policies the
>>> thing I
>>> > > > most
>>> > > > >> > > admire about him is his consistency. There are few things
our
>>> > > > President
>>> > > > >> > has
>>> > > > >> > > done I approve of but killing terrorists is at the top of
the
>>> > > list.
>>> > > > Ron
>>> > > > >> > is
>>> > > > >> > > wrong on this.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > > Now, with the ass kissing portion of my post out of the
way,
>>> let's
>>> > > > get to
>>> > > > >> > > the Occupy(pickyourplace) kerfuffle. I made the observation
>>> in a
>>> > > post
>>> > > > on
>>> > > > >> > G+
>>> > > > >> > > that this may be one of those times when you see Tea
Partiers
>>> > > > marching
>>> > > > >> > next
>>> > > > >> > > to Code Pinkers. Nobody likes corp. welfare and high
>>> unemployment
>>> > > > except
>>> > > > >> > for
>>> > > > >> > > the lobbyists and politicians that engineer it. Even they
>>> don't
>>> > > like
>>> > > > it
>>> > > > >> > when
>>> > > > >> > > they get caught. On the one hand I'm glad folks are "doing
>>> > > something"
>>> > > > but
>>> > > > >> > on
>>> > > > >> > > the other I'm concerned with what seems to be unions trying
>>> to
>>> > > > highjack
>>> > > > >> > the
>>> > > > >> > > movement for their own selfish ends. They are some of the
>>> biggest
>>> > > > causes
>>> > > > >> > of
>>> > > > >> > > our current crisis. Just read s story how GM has thousands
of
>>> > > Volts
>>> > > > >> > sitting
>>> > > > >> > > around not getting sold. This is what happens when
government
>>> > > builds
>>> > > > your
>>> > > > >> > > cars or your solar panels. Somebody else always makes them
>>> better
>>> > > AND
>>> > > > >> > > cheaper. My concern is most of those 'protesting' don't see
>>> things
>>> > > > quite
>>> > > > >> > the
>>> > > > >> > > same way I do. Far too many are on the Class Warfare path
and
>>> this
>>> > > > >> > disturbs
>>> > > > >> > > me. I have no beef with the rich. In fact, I appreciate
that
>>> they
>>> > > pay
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> > > most and give the most. I hate favoritism and that is what
>>> > > government
>>> > > > >> > > control and the punish/reward aspect of taxation is all
>>> about. I
>>> > > hate
>>> > > > it.
>>> > > > >> > > It's why I like Herman Cain's 'plan' of 9-9-9 better then
>>> anything
>>> > > > else
>>> > > > >> > > anybody has come up with. Getting rid of ALL the loopholes
>>> for the
>>> > > > very
>>> > > > >> > > wealthy would be awesome. It's galling to find out some of
>>> the
>>> > > most
>>> > > > >> > ardent
>>> > > > >> > > celebrity liberal supporters have much of their wealth
>>> sheltered
>>> > > from
>>> > > > >> > taxes.
>>> > > > >> > > Smart but hugely hypocritical. That said the rich aren't
the
>>> > > problem,
>>> > > > our
>>> > > > >> > > screwy tax laws and a political class bent on pork and back
>>> > > > scratching
>>> > > > >> > and
>>> > > > >> > > huge, mind numbing waste are. I agree we need to clean
house
>>> in
>>> > > > >> > Washington
>>> > > > >> > > but I fear most of those in the streets would disagree with
>>> me who
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> > major
>>> > > > >> > > culprits are.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > > As usual, Rigs makes the most sense of all the comments
here.
>>> > > While
>>> > > > I'm
>>> > > > >> > not
>>> > > > >> > > a supporter of the status quo exactly I do have a
substantial
>>> > > amount
>>> > > > of
>>> > > > >> > my
>>> > > > >> > > retirement in the market and T-bills. The required
>>> destruction of
>>> > > our
>>> > > > >> > > current system to come up with something more to Archy's
>>> taste I'm
>>> > > > scared
>>> > > > >> > to
>>> > > > >> > > death of. That's what crazy people like George Soros want.
>>> That's
>>> > > not
>>> > > > for
>>> > > > >> > > me. A more vigilant FTC and massive simplification of the
tax
>>> code
>>> > > I
>>> > > > >> > would
>>> > > > >> > > welcome.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > > Thems my thoughts but I'm keeping an open mind.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:42 PM, gabbydott <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >> Ok, let's settle for rule #10! :)
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>>> > > > >> > [email protected]>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>> Fantastic link, Gabby! I especially like number 10. :D
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>> No, by normalcy, I meant that the media focus to date has
>>> been
>>> > > on
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> > >>> counterculture types mostly, while ignoring those in
>>> business
>>> > > > casual
>>> > > > >> > attire.
>>> > > > >> > >>> It makes it easy for the audience at large to be separate
>>> from
>>> > > > them. I
>>> > > > >> > want
>>> > > > >> > >>> to show the world how many of their PEERS are there,
>>> coworkers,
>>> > > > >> > colleagues,
>>> > > > >> > >>> classmates...I want them to see that this isn't just some
>>> angry
>>> > > > washed
>>> > > > >> > out
>>> > > > >> > >>> hippies, but an actual populist uprising comprised of
their
>>> > > friends
>>> > > > and
>>> > > > >> > >>> neighbors.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, gabbydott <
>>> [email protected]
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>>> Ah, Chris, let me make clear that we understand that the
>>> > > "normal"
>>> > > > >> > >>>> American media is employing this technique of "creating
a
>>> sense
>>> > > of
>>> > > > >> > >>>> connection" which worries us here across the pond. We
>>> therefore
>>> > > > >> > >>>> welcome independent views in the U.S. What you'd call
>>> "left" is
>>> > > > still
>>> > > > >> > very
>>> > > > >> > >>>> much "right" for our senses. What you call normalcy is
>>> what we
>>> > > > often
>>> > > > >> > >>>> perceive as extremely ignorant.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>>> Let me give you an example of how we believe you need to
>>> take
>>> > > > photos
>>> > > > >> > that
>>> > > > >> > >>>> deserve the label "independent":
>>> > > > >> > >>>>http://www.lomography.com/about/the-ten-golden-rules
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Chris Jenkins <
>>> > > > >> > >>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> Danke, Gabby! There's a general sense of
marginalization
>>> about
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> group, and I'm hoping to capture the normalcy of the
>>> > > > >> > protesters...create a
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> sense of connection.
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> On Oct 3, 2011 11:50 AM, "gabbydott" <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > Cheers, Chris! Documenting and sharing what you see
as
>>> > > > happening is
>>> > > > >> > a
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> good
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > thing, I find.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > It is very much of THE thing to do today, to gather
>>> with
>>> > > people
>>> > > > who
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> share
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > one's own view to demonstrate one's enlarged physical
>>> mass.
>>> > > I
>>> > > > don't
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> think
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > that it is smarter than finding new ways of fair
>>> > > communication
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> beforehand,
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > though.
>>> >
>>> > > > >> > >>>>> > But hey, we've had our share of "we are the people"
>>> pictures
>>> >
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> > read more »
>>>
>>
>>
