It's apple harvest time in Washingtion state. An apple picker can earn $150. a day but I guess American youths would rather mess up city squares with baloney. The apple harvest- which impacts the supply for the entire USA- is at risk for lack of workers. The story was on PBS News Hour last night.//I need breakfast.
On Oct 27, 6:47 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Besides being a future project it is a great but will prove the wisdom of > this group of nothing else.. and a gift to the future generations.. I > figure the members of this group actually have the knowledge and wisdom to > set it up. > > I do think I know actually where to set it up were the effect could be > measured,, because the total economics is known. If you are wondering it > is Malta,, all it has is a very small fishing industry (local) a > small amount of farming (Ancient fields) and lastly a tourist industry > which it depends.. There already is a long lasting charity .. The knights > of Malta have been around for centuries so they would not be adverse to > setting it up there.. especially if they got their 15% tax,, > > It would be interesting to set up a fund that would take it from a > backwater tourist destination without much going for it to > a financial power house of the world..I may not see it but it would be > kool.. as those that started it would be known historically.. > Just a thought > Allan > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM, richard blay <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mmm! that is great a vision, Allan. we are being optismistic here, but > > how do we know this ' generation' will walk and see beyond the sunset > > as we are seeing today? the answer is ' atleast we have done our > > part'... great initiative. > > > On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced > > > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering if > > they > > > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for and > > look > > > after there interest. > > > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a member > > > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something > > entirely > > > different. > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the > > >> solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever > > >> remain as it is...even worse. > > > >> On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. and > > >> > they > > >> > never feel the sting of the whip. > > >> > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before > > >> > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never > > >> removed > > >> > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay raises > > >> not > > >> > even cost of living for public employees like fire department , > > Police > > >> > people or others.. > > > >> > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country > > >> > no > > >> > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their own > > >> > behalf and those of their rich friends.. > > > >> > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance > > >> > from friend or family.. with only services of public > > >> > assistance available to them and their family. I do know something > > >> > needs > > >> > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe a > > >> > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery. > > >> > Allan > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do. > > >> >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has > > >> >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In > > the > > >> >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the > > >> >> reason nothing can ever get done! > > > >> >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that > > >> >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising > > >> >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that > > >> >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone > > else > > >> >> doing it and so on. > > > >> >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If > > >> they > > >> >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point, > > but > > >> >> > nothing beyond their means though. > > > >> >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be > > >> >> > interesting, > > >> >> > Allan > > >> >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on > > trying > > >> to > > >> >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare. > > > >> >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > >> >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny about > > >> >> > >> it.. > > >> >> > >> I > > >> >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is what > > it > > >> >> should > > >> >> > >> be called is the pittance fund.. > > >> >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's > > interests > > >> is > > >> >> self > > >> >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time > > and > > >> >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term > > >> >> > >> guidance > > >> >> to make > > >> >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the > > size.. > > >> at > > >> >> witch > > >> >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful > > than > > >> the > > >> >> other > > >> >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight.. > > >> >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined > > >> >> > >> wisdom > > >> >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be > > >> chance > > >> >> to put > > >> >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and > > can > > >> >> not be > > >> >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,, > > >> >> > >> Allan > > > >> >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > >> >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess > > >> >> > >>> money > > >> >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in > > our > > >> >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed > > >> >> > >>> by > > >> >> the > > >> >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. > > What > > >> we > > >> >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and > > >> organisation. > > > >> >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO > > >> Trust > > >> >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a > > news > > >> - > > >> >> > >>> > magazine website ... > > > >> >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & > > REDEFINED > > >> >> > >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD... > > > >> >> > >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at > > reclaiming > > >> >> > >>> > our > > >> >> > >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over > > >> >> > >>> > the > > >> >> world > > >> >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology, > > >> >> > >>> > psychology, > > >> >> > >>> > economics, management, public service, governance, > > >> >> entrepreneurship... > > >> >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack > > >> Editorial > > >> >> > >>> > Team. > > > >> >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more > > would > > >> >> have to > > >> >> > >>> > be scrounged and how... > > > >> >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at > > >> >> > >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and > > >> >> > >>> immediately add > > >> >> > >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that > > >> amount.. > > >> >> a > > >> >> > >>> hundred > > >> >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro.. > > > >> >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the > > >> >> > >>> > > mortgage > > >> >> > >>> > > on > > >> >> > >>> your > > >> >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you > > >> >> split > > >> >> > >>> the > > >> >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the > > other > > >> 1/2 > > >> >> on > > >> >> > >>> the > > >> >> > >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount > > each > > >> >> month,, > > >> >> > >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take > > you > > >> >> only 13 > > >> >> > >>> 1/2 > > >> >> > >>> > > years to pay it back.. > > > >> >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be > > >> >> saving > > >> >> > >>> your > > >> >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket > > change > > >> >> > >>> > > you > > >> >> > >>> ask me.. > > > >> >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used > > >> >> > >>> intelligently and > > >> >> > >>> > > effectively? > > >> >> > >>> > > Allan > > > >> >> > >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house > > payments?? > > >> >> they > > >> >> > >>> pay you > > >> >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month?? > > > >> >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh < > > [email protected]> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so > > >> >> astronomically > > >> >> > >>> at a > > >> >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ? > > > >> >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H < > > >> [email protected] > > > >> >> > >>> wrote: > > >> >> > >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am > > >> sure > > >> >> > >>> there are > > >> >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
