Besides being a future project it is a great but will prove the wisdom of this group of nothing else.. and a gift to the future generations.. I figure the members of this group actually have the knowledge and wisdom to set it up.
I do think I know actually where to set it up were the effect could be measured,, because the total economics is known. If you are wondering it is Malta,, all it has is a very small fishing industry (local) a small amount of farming (Ancient fields) and lastly a tourist industry which it depends.. There already is a long lasting charity .. The knights of Malta have been around for centuries so they would not be adverse to setting it up there.. especially if they got their 15% tax,, It would be interesting to set up a fund that would take it from a backwater tourist destination without much going for it to a financial power house of the world..I may not see it but it would be kool.. as those that started it would be known historically.. Just a thought Allan On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:17 PM, richard blay <[email protected]> wrote: > Mmm! that is great a vision, Allan. we are being optismistic here, but > how do we know this ' generation' will walk and see beyond the sunset > as we are seeing today? the answer is ' atleast we have done our > part'... great initiative. > > On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced > > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering if > they > > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for and > look > > after there interest. > > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a member > > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something > entirely > > different. > > Allan > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of the > >> solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will ever > >> remain as it is...even worse. > >> > >> On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. and > >> > they > >> > never feel the sting of the whip. > >> > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just before > >> > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was never > >> removed > >> > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay raises > >> not > >> > even cost of living for public employees like fire department , > Police > >> > people or others.. > >> > > >> > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your country > >> > no > >> > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on their own > >> > behalf and those of their rich friends.. > >> > > >> > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no assistance > >> > from friend or family.. with only services of public > >> > assistance available to them and their family. I do know something > >> > needs > >> > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. maybe a > >> > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery. > >> > Allan > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is to do. > >> >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which has > >> >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. In > the > >> >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of the > >> >> reason nothing can ever get done! > >> >> > >> >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings that > >> >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of raising > >> >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of assumptions that > >> >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent someone > else > >> >> doing it and so on. > >> >> > >> >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push people. If > >> they > >> >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting point, > but > >> >> > nothing beyond their means though. > >> >> > > >> >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it will be > >> >> > interesting, > >> >> > Allan > >> >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep on > trying > >> to > >> >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to spare. > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny about > >> >> > >> it.. > >> >> > >> I > >> >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is what > it > >> >> should > >> >> > >> be called is the pittance fund.. > >> >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's > interests > >> is > >> >> self > >> >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the time > and > >> >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term > >> >> > >> guidance > >> >> to make > >> >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the > size.. > >> at > >> >> witch > >> >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more powerful > than > >> the > >> >> other > >> >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight.. > >> >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our combined > >> >> > >> wisdom > >> >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would be > >> chance > >> >> to put > >> >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried and > can > >> >> not be > >> >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,, > >> >> > >> Allan > >> >> > > >> >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least guess > >> >> > >>> money > >> >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money in > our > >> >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is dwarfed > >> >> > >>> by > >> >> the > >> >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow markets. > What > >> we > >> >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and > >> organisation. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal NGO > >> Trust > >> >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and Donations tax-exempt ) operating a > news > >> - > >> >> > >>> > magazine website ... > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > WE THE PEOPLE : ALTERNATE NEWS, RECLAIMING EFFORTS & > REDEFINED > >> >> > >>> > THOUGHTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD... > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > We then can pool in people centered news, efforts at > reclaiming > >> >> > >>> > our > >> >> > >>> > lives and freedoms, and path breaking thoughts from all over > >> >> > >>> > the > >> >> world > >> >> > >>> > in diverse fields such as science, medicine, sociology, > >> >> > >>> > psychology, > >> >> > >>> > economics, management, public service, governance, > >> >> entrepreneurship... > >> >> > >>> > along lines of " Global Voices "... overseen by a crack > >> Editorial > >> >> > >>> > Team. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > We may then perhaps know what it would take... what more > would > >> >> have to > >> >> > >>> > be scrounged and how... > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > On Oct 24, 10:35 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > it is because it is compounded ,, i figured it at > >> >> > >>> > > annual interest payment.. if you take your principle and > >> >> > >>> immediately add > >> >> > >>> > > the interest you have increased your principle by that > >> amount.. > >> >> a > >> >> > >>> hundred > >> >> > >>> > > euro becomes 104 Euro.. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > to demonstrate the effect if you are paying off the > >> >> > >>> > > mortgage > >> >> > >>> > > on > >> >> > >>> your > >> >> > >>> > > house in say 15 years,, making a monthly payment,, if you > >> >> split > >> >> > >>> the > >> >> > >>> > > payment in half paying the loan 1/2 on the 1st and the > other > >> 1/2 > >> >> on > >> >> > >>> the > >> >> > >>> > > 15th.. remember you are paying exactly the same amount > each > >> >> month,, > >> >> > >>> > > instead of taking 15 years to pay the loan it will take > you > >> >> only 13 > >> >> > >>> 1/2 > >> >> > >>> > > years to pay it back.. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > If your payment was say $1,000. (no Euro sign) you would be > >> >> saving > >> >> > >>> your > >> >> > >>> > > self $18,000. in payments.. not a bad piece of pocket > change > >> >> > >>> > > you > >> >> > >>> ask me.. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > Does that help you understand they power of money if used > >> >> > >>> intelligently and > >> >> > >>> > > effectively? > >> >> > >>> > > Allan > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > RP could you see a company that simply made house > payments?? > >> >> they > >> >> > >>> pay you > >> >> > >>> > > once a month and you pay the Bankster 2X a month?? > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:19 PM, RP Singh < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >>> > > > Again , Allan , I don't see how 100 euros grow so > >> >> astronomically > >> >> > >>> at a > >> >> > >>> > > > simple rate of interest of 4% ? > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Allan H < > >> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> wrote: > >> >> > >>> > > > > Okay I have been doing a lot of thinking ... well I am > >> sure > >> >> > >>> there are > >> >> > >>> > > > > enough good ideas that can radically change the world.. > >> >> Oddly I > >> >> > >>> really > >> >> > >>> > > > do > >> >> > >>> > > > > not think it will take massive amounts,, but it will > >> >> > >>> > > > > take > >> >> some > >> >> > >>> funds > >> >> > >>> > > > and I > >> >> > >>> > > > > have a lot of faith in our group to be able to develop > >> >> workable > >> >> > >>> ideas.. > >> >> > >>> > > > > Now to put my money with my mouth is even though I do > not > >> >> have > >> >> > >>> massive > >> >> > >>> > > > > amounts of money I can easily contribute 100 Euro to > >> commit > >> >> to > >> >> > >>> a fund to > >> >> > >>> > > > > change the world.. I do not know if others are willing > >> >> > >>> > > > > to > >> >> > >>> develop a > >> >> > >>> > > > world > >> >> > >>> > > > > improvement fund. as I know this discussion will go > one > >> for > >> >> > >>> years after > >> >> > >>> > > > we > >> >> > >>> > > > > are gone I could for see it still in existence 500 > >> >> > >>> > > > > onward.. > >> >> > >>> > > > > there needs to be unchangeable able rules like > >> >> > >>> > > > > The principle can not be spent.. > >> >> > >>> > > > > No more than 20 % of the income can be spent on fund > >> >> > >>> administration. > >> >> > >>> > > > > 20 % of the income generated must be added to the > >> principle > >> >> > >>> every year, > >> >> > >>> > > > (or > >> >> > >>> > > > > more often) > >> >> > >>> > > > > How the 60 % well .. some types of projects just do not > >> make > >> >> > >>> nor are > >> >> > >>> > > > meant > >> >> > >>> > > > > to make money just for the improvement of society some > >> >> where.. > >> >> > >>> > > > > Now there is even a small amount of money available. > >> >> > >>> > > > > We need to discuss how to set it up maybe I have it > all > >> >> > >>> confused,, > >> >> > >>> > > > anyways > >> >> > >>> > > > > I will send the money to where it is decided to set up > >> >> > >>> > > > > the > >> >> > >>> funds,, > >> >> > >>> > > > There is > >> >> > >>> > > > > one hundred Euro available sitting in a tin behind me.. > >> If > >> >> > >>> others do > >> >> > >>> > > > > contribute it should be in amounts of their own > currency > >> and > >> >> to > >> >> > >>> an amount > >> >> > >>> > > > > that will not cause harm to them or thier families... > as > >> >> > >>> > > > > once > >> >> > >>> the money > >> >> > >>> > > > is > >> >> > >>> > > > > gone it is gone and can not be expect to have it > >> >> > >>> > > > > returned. > >> >> > >>> > > > > If we set it up and develop it correctly in five > hundred > >> >> years > >> >> > >>> that 100 > >> >> > >>> > > > > Euros will have a value if it grows at a simple 4% of: > >> >> > >>> > > > > 32,860,158,157.oo Euro > >> >> > >>> > > > > 32 billion is an amount that can have some on going > >> effects > >> >> to > >> >> > >>> improve > >> >> > >>> > > > > society.. It is called putting your money where your > >> mouth > >> >> is.. > >> >> > >>> The > >> >> > >>> > > > > question is who wants to run it.. I am not able to > Vam? > >> >> Molly? > >> >> > >>> Neil? > >> >> > >>> > > > Chris? > >> >> > >>> > > > > Rigsy? hmmm > >> >> > >>> > > > > Allan > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > > Because > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Vam < > >> [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> Ah, Rigs... that isn't as tragic... as the fact that > >> Cheats > >> >> are > >> >> > >>> Elites > >> >> > >>> > > > >> and Elites are Thieves ! > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> On Oct 24, 2:23 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > Machines/technology are replacing human labor. > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > Children > >> >> might > >> >> > >>> do > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > better being educated via computer and leave > >> >> socialization to > >> >> > >>> play > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > groups and sports. The military can effect as much > >> damage > >> >> via > >> >> > >>> remote > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > control. But- will women return to being > stay-at-home > >> >> > >>> moms/homemakers > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > thus freeing up what jobs remain for the men? I > doubt > >> it > >> >> - it > >> >> > >>> has > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > become an ego/security matter for Western women. > There > >> >> will > >> >> > >>> always be > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > cheats and thieves, Archytas, who cause as much > >> monetary > >> >> > >>> losses as the > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > "elites"- it's all relative, depending on the number > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > of > >> >> zeros. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > On Oct 24, 1:37 am, archytas <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > There was philosophy once called logical > positivism. > >> >> > >>> \\it's people > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > were well-intentioned, like Russell and Carnap. > If > >> you > >> >> > >>> have a few > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > hours to spare I could explain its basics - in the > >> end > >> >> it > >> >> > >>> got so > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > concerned with words they were all that was left. > >> >> > >>> Strangely it was > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > accused of being crude in its use of brute fact. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > The problem as I see it is that we want democracy > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > but > >> >> have > >> >> > >>> not > >> >> > >>> > > > found a > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > way to accept its biggest flaw - that of decisions > >> made > >> >> > >>> through the > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > sway of ignorance, and further problems with the > >> >> corruption > >> >> > >>> of > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > representatives. Attempts at a fix of this in > >> >> perfection > >> >> > >>> are doomed > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > or the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > One might try to produce communication free of > >> ideology > >> >> and > >> >> > >>> this let > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > Reason alone have power (Habermas) - but as far > as I > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > can > >> >> > >>> see this > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > never works - and Habermas only suggests his > 'ideal > >> >> speech > >> >> > >>> > > > situation' > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > as an ideal type (following Weber). > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > The best positive I can reach is that we could > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > change > >> >> our > >> >> > >>> material > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > conditions to produce less discontent. To get to > an > >> >> > >>> understanding > >> >> > >>> > > > of > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > this we need to agree on some basic facts - and > the > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > move > >> >> > >>> towards > >> >> > >>> > > > these > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > is critical. People as old as Orn and myself can > >> >> remember > >> >> > >>> when it > >> >> > >>> > > > was > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > possible for most in the West to get somewhere > near > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > this > >> >> > >>> because > >> >> > >>> > > > there > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > were plenty of well paid jobs about. > >> Oversimplifying a > >> >> lot > >> >> > >>> this is > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > not now the case and we need to establish what the > >> new > >> >> > >>> conditions > >> >> > >>> > > > are. > >> >> > > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > Productivity is vastly enhanced from the times in > >> which > >> >> our > >> >> > >>> work > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > ethics arose. My guess is we could get by quite > >> nicely > >> >> on > >> >> > >>> a 30hr > >> >> > >>> > > > >> > > working week and a 40 week year with > >> >> > > >> >> > ... > >> >> > > >> >> > read more ยป > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ( > >> > ) > >> > |_D Allan > >> > > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
