Isn't Diamond primarily dealing with enviornmental factors of decline and Eurocentric though the axis is East-West? What about Arnold Toynbee's theories?// There is diversity in the public schools/state universities- USA- of race and incomes. Unfortunately, many limousine liberals send their children to private schools, don't they?//We are all "remotely" dark-skinned.
On Oct 28, 2:11 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > In intellectual terms the 'positive' is often doxa or mere opinion. > Most white people I know think 'our' civilization is superior to all > others - I'd say this especially of the political correctivists and > those who raise racism at the drop of a hat. There is often less > racism in the guy who utters 'I hate niggers' (there are still plenty) > and the PC white female lecturer teaching this is wrong but who never > works with or has relations with anyone remotely dark-skinned. > There's an example of the critique of much received history here > -http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n21/pankaj-mishra/watch-this-man- and I'd > point out that Niall Fergusson's books make it to television series > here and the US - who is the audience for the dross - racist dross in > 'polite language'. The positive of this critique can be found in > Jared Diamond. The big missing positive is about how we deal with > oppression everywhere, including that we soak up in our non-critical > cultures. > > On Oct 28, 8:27 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I hear and understand what you are saying Vam.. now the question is how > > does one counter them.. > > > rigsy don't be deceived it is those pay large sums for access to > > politicians that put them in congress american people are just sheep doing > > what they are told (more or less -- they follow the guiding light,,, TV > > commercials) > > > Plato is right Communism is elitist ... it is based off community a town > > is a community, a city is a community .. slums are a community wall > > street is a very elitist community only interested in their good,, not the > > greater good of all people,, and they are very good at giving there song > > and dance routine. > > work > > Slums are a commune in their own right they are people gathering together > > for their own survival.. > > > The most successful communities have been religious where they have a > > common belief system. If you want your form of communism to survive you > > have to have a very common guiding light? a treat of eternal damnation > > does not hurt to keep the leadership in line .. but that does not always > > work.. > > > I do think the a social communism can work but every one is and must be > > expected to work contributing to the over all good of the community.. and > > if members are unemployed they need to be contributing to the greater > > community's greater good by sweeping streets or some thing.. with everyone > > contributing their paycheck and receiving a stipend from the community as > > we do need our pocket change. lol I have seen religious communities that > > you are expected to work 12 hrs + a day just for your ?room? and minimal > > board..for nothing especially when you are not part of their community.. > > > What an endless topic. rag on and on > > Allan > > Allan > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Good questions. > > > > Precisely... people realise they voted for promises and make - beliefs > > > presented by liars, who spoke for the people and acted for > > > themselves ! Now, the ill-intentioned must know that the people > > > know... what was concealed from them. > > > > On Oct 27, 5:33 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So- who voted the Congress into power? Who is attracted to politics? > > > > Why? > > > > > On Oct 26, 11:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Members of Congress who are millionaires ? Nearly 50 percent. > > > > > > Millionaires in the country ? About 1 percent of the population. > > > > > > Doesn't seem the US Congress is representative of the population at > > > > > all ! > > > > > > On Oct 26, 4:45 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Oh yeah Richard,, unfortunately politics is heavily influnced > > > > > > by corporate bribery and wealthy individuals who leave me wondering > > > if they > > > > > > care about their money or the people they are supposed to care for > > > and look > > > > > > after there interest. > > > > > > Politicians seem to have a creed that was pointed out earlier by a > > > member > > > > > > of this group. Politicians seem to say one thing then do something > > > entirely > > > > > > different. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM, richard blay <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Perfectly, Allan, on the part of the politicians. until part of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > solution is done, which is your idea on board, the situation will > > > ever > > > > > > > remain as it is...even worse. > > > > > > > > On 10/26/11, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Politicians have truths that apply to everyone else except them. > > > and they > > > > > > > > never feel the sting of the whip. > > > > > > > > I know over here the politicians doubled their salaries just > > > before > > > > > > > > the financial crash, not surprising though the pay raise was > > > never > > > > > > > removed > > > > > > > > the extra income, so they live at twice the wage while no pay > > > raises > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > even cost of living for public employees like fire department , > > > Police > > > > > > > > people or others.. > > > > > > > > > I am sure that if you look the same thing has happened in your > > > country no > > > > > > > > matter which one it is.. Politicians seem to be acting on > > > their own > > > > > > > > behalf and those of their rich friends.. > > > > > > > > > Maybe all politicians should be put on minimum wage with no > > > assistance > > > > > > > > from friend or family.. with only services of public > > > > > > > > assistance available to them and their family. I do know > > > something needs > > > > > > > > to be done to bring this political privilege under control.. > > > maybe a > > > > > > > > better way to put it is get control of the out right bribery. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM, archytas <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I tend to like the idea too Allan - one way to the positive is > > > to do. > > > > > > > >> In the more intellectual sense, getting to the positive (which > > > has > > > > > > > >> many definitions) usually means stripping away loads of dross. > > > In the > > > > > > > >> process one usually finds the dross is cherished and part of > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> reason nothing can ever get done! > > > > > > > > >> One aspect of all the nonsense of current economic utterings > > > that > > > > > > > >> makes me laugh at the moment (or is it cry?) is the idea of > > > raising > > > > > > > >> pension age in order to save money - this is full of > > > assumptions that > > > > > > > >> there re jobs to do, that clinging to one doesn't prevent > > > someone else > > > > > > > >> doing it and so on. > > > > > > > > >> On Oct 25, 8:19 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Lol do I start with you Gabby? I would not want to push > > > people. If > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > >> > wanted to contribute it would be great. A larger starting > > > point, but > > > > > > > >> > nothing beyond their means though. > > > > > > > > >> > I can not help but wonder how it will evolve, I am sure it > > > will be > > > > > > > >> > interesting, > > > > > > > >> > Allan > > > > > > > >> > On Oct 25, 2011 9:03 AM, "gabbydott" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > I quite like your idea, Allan. You've got my vote to keep > > > on trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> > > persuade the others to see if they have some 100 Euros to > > > spare. > > > > > > > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Allan H < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > >> I know Neil it is but a pittance that is what so funny > > > about it.. > > > > > > > >> > >> I > > > > > > > >> > >> think the problem lies in the short term,, Maybe that is > > > what it > > > > > > > >> should > > > > > > > >> > >> be called is the pittance fund.. > > > > > > > >> > >> Money is a problem because it is guided by people who's > > > interests > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > >> self > > > > > > > >> > >> centered. creating the pittance fund,, then we have the > > > time and > > > > > > > >> > >> possibility to get it to grow.. and provide the long term > > > guidance > > > > > > > >> to make > > > > > > > >> > >> it successful over 500 plus years where it would reach the > > > size.. > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > >> witch > > > > > > > >> > >> time the pittance fund would be as powerful or more > > > powerful than > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> other > > > > > > > >> > >> markets.. it takes for sight.. > > > > > > > >> > >> What I am saying by putting up my 100 Euro is that our > > > combined > > > > > > > >> > >> wisdom > > > > > > > >> > >> and knowledge exceeds that of the normal public. it would > > > be > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > >> to put > > > > > > > >> > >> our theories into practice.. Even if we fail we have tried > > > and can > > > > > > > >> not be > > > > > > > >> > >> faulted for that.. but I do not think that will happen,, > > > > > > > >> > >> Allan > > > > > > > > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:54 AM, archytas < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > >>> If you do any radical thinking at all you should at least > > > guess > > > > > > > >> > >>> money > > > > > > > >> > >>> may be as much of a problem as an asset Allan. The money > > > in our > > > > > > > >> > >>> pockets, under your mattress and in current accounts is > > > dwarfed by > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> > >>> same currency in the derivatives and other shadow > > > markets. What > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > >> > >>> should focus on is how we can build through effort and > > > > > > > organisation. > > > > > > > > >> > >>> On Oct 25, 12:39 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >>> > Find out ( Chris ? ) what it takes to register a formal > > > NGO > > > > > > > Trust > > > > > > > >> > >>> > ( with Tax benefits and > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
