Yes that Greek referendum needs to occur,, actually it is the only way out of the debt economics that is being promoted world wide.. when you look at it it sis the best thing possible.. The churches need to be involved..
I am thinking in the states they need to be taking the mayors and politicians the the head of the police departments to court for violation of constitutional rights... there has got to be a legal angle.. unless the Republican party has destroyed that also.. I think politicians need to be found to put an end to the department of home land security and all laws that are involved with its creation.. I am at a loss as to how to deal with it. using the same tactics the president day politicians are using with the super funds where you can use them unaccounted for where they came from.. I do believe there is a way for people to actually write the laws and pass them,, the present day governments does not like it but it seems that it is there... Maybe get in one state where the source of the super funds must be totally reveled.. Wish I could sit down in a coffee shop and discuss it Allan On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:41 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The UK Occupy has taken a religious turn - the main site is near St. > Paul's Cathedral. Three clerics resigned in the wake of an eviction > threat and it's now been withdrawn. Meanwhile another protest about > changes in squatter rights near Parliament was suppressed by large > numbers of cops. The Greeks are now regarded as traitorous scum for > doing something democratic - a referendum. The decision has > apparently shocked politicians across Europe. We have some union > organised protests coming up. There has been no mainstream coverage > of the rubber bullet issue here. > > On Nov 1, 10:27 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > Messy. The part where the long strong arm of the law "keeps the peace" > via > > a beating is currently taking place everywhere. Aggressive movements to > > clear the occupation in seven cities. Rubber bullet wound pics are > filling > > up my Facebook feed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Good to see you two buddies agree on your own morality of selling. How > are > > > things going behind the scenes? > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:36 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Have to agree Chris. We have vicars resigning over OccX around St. > > >> Pauls. We once had Wycliffe preaching that Christ did not own the > > >> clothes he wore (13th century) - they dug up his bones and burned them > > >> for 'saying' that. Rigsy sounds like the 'pious' passer-by on this > > >> topic - something that doesn't fit with my feelings about her. we > > >> watched while they took away the disabled, then the gypsies, then the > > >> nay sayers and then the Jews -who would be left when they came for us > > >> sort of stuff. > > >> I'm honestly getting round to thinking what I normally consider as > > >> conspiracy (I prosecuted a lot of people for conspiracy) may be true > > >> rather than just a good yarn - Churchill as a bag man for JP Morgan, > > >> Blair the same and the USA merely a pawn in the rise of banksterism > > >> that could see more profit in a US empire it could control than in > > >> various species of European imperialism. > > > > >> The key positive is ensuring decent living standards for all that are > > >> also about changing how we consume, breed and other 'green' nettles we > > >> hardly dare admit let alone grasp. The combination of education and > > >> the kind of medical treatment that stops kids dying works in > > >> population control (with remarkably few exceptions - both sexes give > > >> up pressurised breed if they know the kids they do have will live. We > > >> do not need to produce more and more idiot western lifestyles and we > > >> don't really (mostly) live them anyway. In terms of 'work' I doubt > > >> more than a few modern westerners have much clue what it is and has > > >> been for many. I've come across many wuckfits who believe their 9 - 4 > > >> in the office was hard graft. Most of what's being done now is > > >> neurotic or serf-like. The morality of selling is almost non- > > >> existent. > > > > >> On Oct 31, 12:45 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > I think it's passive to say that current economics doesn't provide > > >> > much...rather, the current economics provides strong incentives to > treat > > >> > others poorly. Agents Provocateur are the order of the day in #OWS: > > > > >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VIpIKrh7Z8 > > > > >> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > Sorry about the lapsed video link. They are around on the net. I > > >> > > suspect the machine is banking and war and we suppose it something > > >> > > other. I'm not sure we are free as rigsy says - rather just > lucky to > > >> > > be free of interesting times. I was thinking of Camus watching > some > > >> > > stuff on OccupyX - > > > > >> > > > http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/ows-guest-post-denver-police-u. > > >> .. > > > > >> > > High in the list of my values is the treatment of others (which > in a > > >> > > sense is elitist) and I don't believe current economics provides > > >> > > much. It seems to me many have forgotten that their freedoms > were won > > >> > > bu others, > > > > >> > > On Oct 30, 11:55 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > "Even God cannot change the past." Agathon (448 B.C.-400 B.C.) > > > > >> > > > We are eventually free to establish our own values and > lifestyle- if > > >> > > > we are lucky- and it sounds as if you are one of the lucky ones > as > > >> we > > >> > > > type on computers constructed via slave labor to communicate our > > >> > > > opinions and struggles. > > > > >> > > > Around the beginning of the 20th Century, manufacturers > accepted the > > >> > > > idea of making products that would soon be obsolete and need to > be > > >> > > > replaced rather than repaired which has resulted in a toss-away > > >> > > > consumer society that is drenched in wastefulness. I think the > idea > > >> > > > was first promoted by advertisers who were eager for steady > income. > > >> > > > Replacement has become a broader fact- from mates to warfare. > > > > >> > > > On Oct 29, 11:01 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > I don't recall the exact quote from Camus, Neil, in his > "Rebel"... > > > > >> > > > > We are living in times when the same usurpers, oligarchs, > power > > >> > > > > brokers, Free Capitalists and State Capitalists... use values > that > > >> > > > > appeal to people, take positions that make people feel good, > > >> espouse > > >> > > > > causes and show generosities... when all that is on their > mind is > > >> how > > >> > > > > to extract more from the people, how to make laws more > capital, > > >> > > > > priviledged and owner friendly ( yeah, the fkg Motor Act in > India > > >> is > > >> > > > > still of colonial vantage, when the motors on the roads were > owned > > >> > > > > mainly by the British... you don't need to commit any murders > at > > >> all, > > >> > > > > just mow them on the road, and escape with at most as light a > > >> sentence > > >> > > > > as mere 2 years of simple imprisonment ! ), how to > consolidate and > > >> > > > > cartelise the supply chain or distribution structures for > > >> essential > > >> > > > > commodities, so as to create scarcities and raise prices at > > >> will... > > >> > > > > control power... control money... control legislation... > control > > >> > > > > supply and demand... control... > > > > >> > > > > As a result, people have come to believe that the 80% of the > > >> economy > > >> > > > > looped in to serve 20% of the population is alright, that > > >> millionaires > > >> > > > > constituting 50% of People's Representatives is alright, that > > >> there is > > >> > > > > something sacrosanct about property and shall-do-as-I-wish > rights, > > >> > > > > that accepting money means that people have to surrender their > > >> freedom > > >> > > > > and needless dignity, that basketfuls of cake and food reject > in > > >> waste > > >> > > > > bin from wealthy mansions is okay when thousands are hungry... > > >> and if > > >> > > > > you stand to question and protest over such gross social > > >> inequality, > > >> > > > > such political misrepresentation, such blatant economic > > >> inequity... > > >> > > > > you are actually shown the law, the law and order enforcement > > >> might, > > >> > > > > the feudal norms and ethics, and told "look at the others, how > > >> they > > >> > > > > are not about creating problems" ! > > > > >> > > > > You then have only one option... which you will soon be > advised > > >> even > > >> > > > > by your parents and well-wishers... to join them. After all, > even > > >> you > > >> > > > > have it all... if you study and work hard, with dedication... > et > > >> al. > > > > >> > > > > The fun starts, rather the mayhem, when you see no reason to > join > > >> > > > > them, to have all that "they" have. At that stage you have > already > > >> > > > > discovered the new paradigm for yourself. It happened with me > in > > >> > > > > 1997... when I looked up to my boss' position and clearly saw > > >> that I > > >> > > > > didn't want it ! Lived hand to mouth for about 2 years... made > > >> demands > > >> > > > > on friends without a qualm... until the consulting work got > > >> > > > > acknowledged... and then I've practically retired for an > otherwise > > >> > > > > very active life. > > > > >> > > > > On Oct 30, 4:32 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry your video is currently not available.. will try > later I > > >> did > > >> > > some > > >> > > > > > looking up to understand the raping of Nang I have actually > > >> known > > >> > > about for > > >> > > > > > a long time ,, seems even before the internet why I don't > > >> recall any > > >> > > more.. > > >> > > > > > Maybe it is from the horrible abuse and treatment of the > > >> american > > >> > > Indian > > >> > > > > > by my own government. and other minorities.. > > > > >> > > > > > I think people want to believe the soft sell packaged lies.. > > >> people > > >> > > > > > apparently prefer to live in fear and accept lies rather > than > > >> face > > >> > > the > > >> > > > > > truth.. as for governments that color truth worse is it the > > >> USA or > > >> > > > > > Great Britain? Both Countries seem to bury their heads in > the > > >> sand > > >> > > when it > > >> > > > > > comes to coloring their history. still am trying to figure > out > > >> > > > > > the British empire. > > > > >> > > > > > Hopefully the Occupy Movement will have some effect > positive I > > >> hope > > >> > > if the > > >> > > > > > one percent want to control the wealth and government > they at > > >> > > least to > > >> > > > > > bear their fair share of the expenses based on percentage > of > > >> > > ownership. > > >> > > > > > Allan > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:51 PM, archytas < > [email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > The current crisis is not one of banking or economics, but > > >> > > something > > >> > > > > > > much more basic. One might say this is our attitude > towards > > >> > > 'machines > > >> > > > > > > of loving grace'. In short, we live in the fantasy that > "the > > >> > > machine" > > >> > > > > > > will put things right, returning to an equilibrium as our > > >> > > > > > > interventions are little more than 'of mice and men'. The > real > > >> > > world > > >> > > > > > > of the environment and the exchange world of economics > return > > >> to > > >> > > > > > > equilibrium after fluctuations. It's very tempting to > believe > > >> > > this - > > >> > > > > > > one might see Gaia as a case in point - the planet and > other > > >> > > species > > >> > > > > > > flourishing after we've crazed ourselves to extinction > through > > >> > > > > > > consumption and wars. > > > > >> > > > > > > You can pick up the ideas of 'all watched over by > machines of > > >> > > loving > > >> > > > > > > grace' here - > > > > >> > > > http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2160186460/All-Watched-Over-By-M. > > >> .. > > > > >> > > > > > > A review with an economic twist can be found here - > > > > >> > http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/the-natural-chaos-of-markets.html > > > > >> > > > > > > My own work has often focused on the difference > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
