Neither can I Vam I see the need for extreme change but for the life of me I am not sure what to change it to ,,,, Maybe make the banks split the profits equally between all the depositors whether stock holders or users of bank and the bonuses having to be voted on by all the depositors.. It is a group of people who provide nothing in return for massive salaries.. Allan
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > The referendum in Greece... > > I cannot really foresee its effect on the economy... But f... the > economy, for now... what's immediate is the people who, if not taken > on board on matters that has put them in the pits, will further drag > the economy down no matter what solutions are imposed from above ! > > It will be greatly interesting how the referendum choices are > worded... and what post - referendum plans have been defined, on the > ready for implementation, to corresponding referendum results. > > On Nov 2, 6:41 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > The UK Occupy has taken a religious turn - the main site is near St. > > Paul's Cathedral. Three clerics resigned in the wake of an eviction > > threat and it's now been withdrawn. Meanwhile another protest about > > changes in squatter rights near Parliament was suppressed by large > > numbers of cops. The Greeks are now regarded as traitorous scum for > > doing something democratic - a referendum. The decision has > > apparently shocked politicians across Europe. We have some union > > organised protests coming up. There has been no mainstream coverage > > of the rubber bullet issue here. > > > > On Nov 1, 10:27 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messy. The part where the long strong arm of the law "keeps the peace" > via > > > a beating is currently taking place everywhere. Aggressive movements to > > > clear the occupation in seven cities. Rubber bullet wound pics are > filling > > > up my Facebook feed. > > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Good to see you two buddies agree on your own morality of selling. > How are > > > > things going behind the scenes? > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:36 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Have to agree Chris. We have vicars resigning over OccX around St. > > > >> Pauls. We once had Wycliffe preaching that Christ did not own the > > > >> clothes he wore (13th century) - they dug up his bones and burned > them > > > >> for 'saying' that. Rigsy sounds like the 'pious' passer-by on this > > > >> topic - something that doesn't fit with my feelings about her. we > > > >> watched while they took away the disabled, then the gypsies, then > the > > > >> nay sayers and then the Jews -who would be left when they came for > us > > > >> sort of stuff. > > > >> I'm honestly getting round to thinking what I normally consider as > > > >> conspiracy (I prosecuted a lot of people for conspiracy) may be true > > > >> rather than just a good yarn - Churchill as a bag man for JP Morgan, > > > >> Blair the same and the USA merely a pawn in the rise of banksterism > > > >> that could see more profit in a US empire it could control than in > > > >> various species of European imperialism. > > > > > >> The key positive is ensuring decent living standards for all that > are > > > >> also about changing how we consume, breed and other 'green' nettles > we > > > >> hardly dare admit let alone grasp. The combination of education and > > > >> the kind of medical treatment that stops kids dying works in > > > >> population control (with remarkably few exceptions - both sexes give > > > >> up pressurised breed if they know the kids they do have will live. > We > > > >> do not need to produce more and more idiot western lifestyles and we > > > >> don't really (mostly) live them anyway. In terms of 'work' I doubt > > > >> more than a few modern westerners have much clue what it is and has > > > >> been for many. I've come across many wuckfits who believe their 9 > - 4 > > > >> in the office was hard graft. Most of what's being done now is > > > >> neurotic or serf-like. The morality of selling is almost non- > > > >> existent. > > > > > >> On Oct 31, 12:45 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > I think it's passive to say that current economics doesn't provide > > > >> > much...rather, the current economics provides strong incentives > to treat > > > >> > others poorly. Agents Provocateur are the order of the day in > #OWS: > > > > > >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VIpIKrh7Z8 > > > > > >> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > > Sorry about the lapsed video link. They are around on the net. > I > > > >> > > suspect the machine is banking and war and we suppose it > something > > > >> > > other. I'm not sure we are free as rigsy says - rather just > lucky to > > > >> > > be free of interesting times. I was thinking of Camus watching > some > > > >> > > stuff on OccupyX - > > > > > >> > > > http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/ows-guest-post-denver-police-u. > > > >> .. > > > > > >> > > High in the list of my values is the treatment of others (which > in a > > > >> > > sense is elitist) and I don't believe current economics provides > > > >> > > much. It seems to me many have forgotten that their freedoms > were won > > > >> > > bu others, > > > > > >> > > On Oct 30, 11:55 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > "Even God cannot change the past." Agathon (448 B.C.-400 B.C.) > > > > > >> > > > We are eventually free to establish our own values and > lifestyle- if > > > >> > > > we are lucky- and it sounds as if you are one of the lucky > ones as > > > >> we > > > >> > > > type on computers constructed via slave labor to communicate > our > > > >> > > > opinions and struggles. > > > > > >> > > > Around the beginning of the 20th Century, manufacturers > accepted the > > > >> > > > idea of making products that would soon be obsolete and need > to be > > > >> > > > replaced rather than repaired which has resulted in a > toss-away > > > >> > > > consumer society that is drenched in wastefulness. I think > the idea > > > >> > > > was first promoted by advertisers who were eager for steady > income. > > > >> > > > Replacement has become a broader fact- from mates to warfare. > > > > > >> > > > On Oct 29, 11:01 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > I don't recall the exact quote from Camus, Neil, in his > "Rebel"... > > > > > >> > > > > We are living in times when the same usurpers, oligarchs, > power > > > >> > > > > brokers, Free Capitalists and State Capitalists... use > values that > > > >> > > > > appeal to people, take positions that make people feel good, > > > >> espouse > > > >> > > > > causes and show generosities... when all that is on their > mind is > > > >> how > > > >> > > > > to extract more from the people, how to make laws more > capital, > > > >> > > > > priviledged and owner friendly ( yeah, the fkg Motor Act in > India > > > >> is > > > >> > > > > still of colonial vantage, when the motors on the roads > were owned > > > >> > > > > mainly by the British... you don't need to commit any > murders at > > > >> all, > > > >> > > > > just mow them on the road, and escape with at most as light > a > > > >> sentence > > > >> > > > > as mere 2 years of simple imprisonment ! ), how to > consolidate and > > > >> > > > > cartelise the supply chain or distribution structures for > > > >> essential > > > >> > > > > commodities, so as to create scarcities and raise prices at > > > >> will... > > > >> > > > > control power... control money... control legislation... > control > > > >> > > > > supply and demand... control... > > > > > >> > > > > As a result, people have come to believe that the 80% of the > > > >> economy > > > >> > > > > looped in to serve 20% of the population is alright, that > > > >> millionaires > > > >> > > > > constituting 50% of People's Representatives is alright, > that > > > >> there is > > > >> > > > > something sacrosanct about property and shall-do-as-I-wish > rights, > > > >> > > > > that accepting money means that people have to surrender > their > > > >> freedom > > > >> > > > > and needless dignity, that basketfuls of cake and food > reject in > > > >> waste > > > >> > > > > bin from wealthy mansions is okay when thousands are > hungry... > > > >> and if > > > >> > > > > you stand to question and protest over such gross social > > > >> inequality, > > > >> > > > > such political misrepresentation, such blatant economic > > > >> inequity... > > > >> > > > > you are actually shown the law, the law and order > enforcement > > > >> might, > > > >> > > > > the feudal norms and ethics, and told "look at the others, > how > > > >> they > > > >> > > > > are not about creating problems" ! > > > > > >> > > > > You then have only one option... which you will soon be > advised > > > >> even > > > >> > > > > by your parents and well-wishers... to join them. After > all, even > > > >> you > > > >> > > > > have it all... if you study and work hard, with > dedication... et > > > >> al. > > > > > >> > > > > The fun starts, rather the mayhem, when you see no reason > to join > > > >> > > > > them, to have all that "they" have. At that stage you have > already > > > >> > > > > discovered the new paradigm for yourself. It happened with > me in > > > >> > > > > 1997... when I looked up to my boss' position and clearly > saw > > > >> that I > > > >> > > > > didn't want it ! Lived hand to mouth for about 2 years... > made > > > >> demands > > > >> > > > > on friends without a qualm... until the consulting work got > > > >> > > > > acknowledged... and then I've practically retired for an > otherwise > > > >> > > > > very active life. > > > > > >> > > > > On Oct 30, 4:32 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry your video is currently not available.. will try > later I > > > >> did > > > >> > > some > > > >> > > > > > looking up to understand the raping of Nang I have > actually > > > >> known > > > >> > > about for > > > >> > > > > > a long time ,, seems even before the internet why I don't > > > >> recall any > > > >> > > more.. > > > >> > > > > > Maybe it is from the horrible abuse and treatment of the > > > >> american > > > >> > > Indian > > > >> > > > > > by my own government. and other minorities.. > > > > > >> > > > > > I think people want to believe the soft sell packaged > lies.. > > > >> people > > > >> > > > > > apparently prefer to live in fear and accept lies rather > than > > > >> face > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > truth.. as for governments that color truth worse is it > the > > > >> USA or > > > >> > > > > > Great Britain? Both Countries seem to bury their heads in > the > > > >> sand > > > >> > > when it > > > >> > > > > > comes to coloring their history. still am trying to > figure out > > > >> > > > > > the British empire. > > > > > >> > > > > > Hopefully the Occupy Movement will have some effect > positive I > > > >> hope > > > >> > > if the > > > >> > > > > > one percent want to control the wealth and government > they at > > > >> > > least to > > > >> > > > > > bear their fair share of the expenses based on > percentage of > > > >> > > ownership. > > > >> > > > > > Allan > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:51 PM, archytas < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > The current crisis is not one of banking or economics, > but > > > >> > > something > > > >> > > > > > > much more basic. One might say > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
