Daft old sods like us Allan have taken to meeting up in places like Friends Meeting Houses. Coffee sucks and you can't get a bit of a chill from the smoke. I spent some time at my grandson's school today and concluded it was one horrible child-minding set up. Sue is out there at the moment to see if there are any alternatives - I know there aren't any. This is the type of stuff I'd like a vote on. The economics of the politicians is that of a rich few and I'm bored with it. My lad isn't stupid but is unusual.
On Nov 2, 5:19 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > The referendum in Greece... > > I cannot really foresee its effect on the economy... But f... the > economy, for now... what's immediate is the people who, if not taken > on board on matters that has put them in the pits, will further drag > the economy down no matter what solutions are imposed from above ! > > It will be greatly interesting how the referendum choices are > worded... and what post - referendum plans have been defined, on the > ready for implementation, to corresponding referendum results. > > On Nov 2, 6:41 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The UK Occupy has taken a religious turn - the main site is near St. > > Paul's Cathedral. Three clerics resigned in the wake of an eviction > > threat and it's now been withdrawn. Meanwhile another protest about > > changes in squatter rights near Parliament was suppressed by large > > numbers of cops. The Greeks are now regarded as traitorous scum for > > doing something democratic - a referendum. The decision has > > apparently shocked politicians across Europe. We have some union > > organised protests coming up. There has been no mainstream coverage > > of the rubber bullet issue here. > > > On Nov 1, 10:27 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Messy. The part where the long strong arm of the law "keeps the peace" via > > > a beating is currently taking place everywhere. Aggressive movements to > > > clear the occupation in seven cities. Rubber bullet wound pics are filling > > > up my Facebook feed. > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:41 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Good to see you two buddies agree on your own morality of selling. How > > > > are > > > > things going behind the scenes? > > > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:36 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Have to agree Chris. We have vicars resigning over OccX around St. > > > >> Pauls. We once had Wycliffe preaching that Christ did not own the > > > >> clothes he wore (13th century) - they dug up his bones and burned them > > > >> for 'saying' that. Rigsy sounds like the 'pious' passer-by on this > > > >> topic - something that doesn't fit with my feelings about her. we > > > >> watched while they took away the disabled, then the gypsies, then the > > > >> nay sayers and then the Jews -who would be left when they came for us > > > >> sort of stuff. > > > >> I'm honestly getting round to thinking what I normally consider as > > > >> conspiracy (I prosecuted a lot of people for conspiracy) may be true > > > >> rather than just a good yarn - Churchill as a bag man for JP Morgan, > > > >> Blair the same and the USA merely a pawn in the rise of banksterism > > > >> that could see more profit in a US empire it could control than in > > > >> various species of European imperialism. > > > > >> The key positive is ensuring decent living standards for all that are > > > >> also about changing how we consume, breed and other 'green' nettles we > > > >> hardly dare admit let alone grasp. The combination of education and > > > >> the kind of medical treatment that stops kids dying works in > > > >> population control (with remarkably few exceptions - both sexes give > > > >> up pressurised breed if they know the kids they do have will live. We > > > >> do not need to produce more and more idiot western lifestyles and we > > > >> don't really (mostly) live them anyway. In terms of 'work' I doubt > > > >> more than a few modern westerners have much clue what it is and has > > > >> been for many. I've come across many wuckfits who believe their 9 - 4 > > > >> in the office was hard graft. Most of what's being done now is > > > >> neurotic or serf-like. The morality of selling is almost non- > > > >> existent. > > > > >> On Oct 31, 12:45 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > I think it's passive to say that current economics doesn't provide > > > >> > much...rather, the current economics provides strong incentives to > > > >> > treat > > > >> > others poorly. Agents Provocateur are the order of the day in #OWS: > > > > >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VIpIKrh7Z8 > > > > >> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:39 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > Sorry about the lapsed video link. They are around on the net. I > > > >> > > suspect the machine is banking and war and we suppose it something > > > >> > > other. I'm not sure we are free as rigsy says - rather just lucky > > > >> > > to > > > >> > > be free of interesting times. I was thinking of Camus watching > > > >> > > some > > > >> > > stuff on OccupyX - > > > > >> > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/ows-guest-post-denver-police-u. > > > >> .. > > > > >> > > High in the list of my values is the treatment of others (which in > > > >> > > a > > > >> > > sense is elitist) and I don't believe current economics provides > > > >> > > much. It seems to me many have forgotten that their freedoms were > > > >> > > won > > > >> > > bu others, > > > > >> > > On Oct 30, 11:55 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > "Even God cannot change the past." Agathon (448 B.C.-400 B.C.) > > > > >> > > > We are eventually free to establish our own values and > > > >> > > > lifestyle- if > > > >> > > > we are lucky- and it sounds as if you are one of the lucky ones > > > >> > > > as > > > >> we > > > >> > > > type on computers constructed via slave labor to communicate our > > > >> > > > opinions and struggles. > > > > >> > > > Around the beginning of the 20th Century, manufacturers accepted > > > >> > > > the > > > >> > > > idea of making products that would soon be obsolete and need to > > > >> > > > be > > > >> > > > replaced rather than repaired which has resulted in a toss-away > > > >> > > > consumer society that is drenched in wastefulness. I think the > > > >> > > > idea > > > >> > > > was first promoted by advertisers who were eager for steady > > > >> > > > income. > > > >> > > > Replacement has become a broader fact- from mates to warfare. > > > > >> > > > On Oct 29, 11:01 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > I don't recall the exact quote from Camus, Neil, in his > > > >> > > > > "Rebel"... > > > > >> > > > > We are living in times when the same usurpers, oligarchs, power > > > >> > > > > brokers, Free Capitalists and State Capitalists... use values > > > >> > > > > that > > > >> > > > > appeal to people, take positions that make people feel good, > > > >> espouse > > > >> > > > > causes and show generosities... when all that is on their mind > > > >> > > > > is > > > >> how > > > >> > > > > to extract more from the people, how to make laws more capital, > > > >> > > > > priviledged and owner friendly ( yeah, the fkg Motor Act in > > > >> > > > > India > > > >> is > > > >> > > > > still of colonial vantage, when the motors on the roads were > > > >> > > > > owned > > > >> > > > > mainly by the British... you don't need to commit any murders > > > >> > > > > at > > > >> all, > > > >> > > > > just mow them on the road, and escape with at most as light a > > > >> sentence > > > >> > > > > as mere 2 years of simple imprisonment ! ), how to consolidate > > > >> > > > > and > > > >> > > > > cartelise the supply chain or distribution structures for > > > >> essential > > > >> > > > > commodities, so as to create scarcities and raise prices at > > > >> will... > > > >> > > > > control power... control money... control legislation... > > > >> > > > > control > > > >> > > > > supply and demand... control... > > > > >> > > > > As a result, people have come to believe that the 80% of the > > > >> economy > > > >> > > > > looped in to serve 20% of the population is alright, that > > > >> millionaires > > > >> > > > > constituting 50% of People's Representatives is alright, that > > > >> there is > > > >> > > > > something sacrosanct about property and shall-do-as-I-wish > > > >> > > > > rights, > > > >> > > > > that accepting money means that people have to surrender their > > > >> freedom > > > >> > > > > and needless dignity, that basketfuls of cake and food reject > > > >> > > > > in > > > >> waste > > > >> > > > > bin from wealthy mansions is okay when thousands are hungry... > > > >> and if > > > >> > > > > you stand to question and protest over such gross social > > > >> inequality, > > > >> > > > > such political misrepresentation, such blatant economic > > > >> inequity... > > > >> > > > > you are actually shown the law, the law and order enforcement > > > >> might, > > > >> > > > > the feudal norms and ethics, and told "look at the others, how > > > >> they > > > >> > > > > are not about creating problems" ! > > > > >> > > > > You then have only one option... which you will soon be advised > > > >> even > > > >> > > > > by your parents and well-wishers... to join them. After all, > > > >> > > > > even > > > >> you > > > >> > > > > have it all... if you study and work hard, with dedication... > > > >> > > > > et > > > >> al. > > > > >> > > > > The fun starts, rather the mayhem, when you see no reason to > > > >> > > > > join > > > >> > > > > them, to have all that "they" have. At that stage you have > > > >> > > > > already > > > >> > > > > discovered the new paradigm for yourself. It happened with me > > > >> > > > > in > > > >> > > > > 1997... when I looked up to my boss' position and clearly saw > > > >> that I > > > >> > > > > didn't want it ! Lived hand to mouth for about 2 years... made > > > >> demands > > > >> > > > > on friends without a qualm... until the consulting work got > > > >> > > > > acknowledged... and then I've practically retired for an > > > >> > > > > otherwise > > > >> > > > > very active life. > > > > >> > > > > On Oct 30, 4:32 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > Sorry your video is currently not available.. will try > > > >> > > > > > later I > > > >> did > > > >> > > some > > > >> > > > > > looking up to understand the raping of Nang I have actually > > > >> known > > > >> > > about for > > > >> > > > > > a long time ,, seems even before the internet why I don't > > > >> recall any > > > >> > > more.. > > > >> > > > > > Maybe it is from the horrible abuse and treatment of the > > > >> american > > > >> > > Indian > > > >> > > > > > by my own government. and other minorities.. > > > > >> > > > > > I think people want to believe the soft sell packaged lies.. > > > >> people > > > >> > > > > > apparently prefer to live in fear and accept lies rather > > > >> > > > > > than > > > >> face > > > >> > > the... > > read more »
