From another perspective one might like to appreciate the role (or a
role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If there is a world with
meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a challenge to undertake
exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception or outside our
capacity we might be bound by greater rules in nature. These are
questions I think that arise when the suspicion of being led becomes too
great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on that as does the
diverse symbols at our disposal provided by language, corrupting as in
coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, shared language and
meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives can present a
struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them what impetus would
there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when and where, I've
found. That is in part a few features of what I am exploring currently,
among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks for sharing what
you gather. :)
On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote:
Lately I have been trying to get out of this physical concept of things
and look at them from a souls to return to soul with the body as nothing
more than a means of existing in this physical world. this seems to be
changing the perspective on what is conceived as reality.
Allan
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:50 AM, James<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We may be on the same page Gabby, my imagined future possibilities
are still clouded by unknowns (to me). That I consider a consequence
of mental bondage to current circumstances, and left unchecked can
be demoralizing to creative intelligence. As far as I can tell we
are meant to invent solutions to challenges, and hold on as long as
possible until the opportunity arises. My opinion is that we can do
little to force change but as facilitators we can pursue strategic
challenges that will open those opportunities.
If I said that in 10 years the technology should be accessible to
refine garbage, wood or any other fuel into electricity at 80+
conversion efficiency from common household materials in your
average (modern) garage there is no shortage of engineers that would
call me a quack. If I said that you could do it today with moderate
access to materials refining equipment, with a net generated income
over the winter months, and it could be boosted by running a
greenhouse and indoor fishery I would be surely nuts. SOFC, steam
reforming, plasma reduction, pyrolytic reduction are a few terms for
that type of nut.
I think we are missing the spirit of engineering in our social and
political dialogue. It could just be me.. we seem to be able to
redefine just about any kind of waste into an asset, but we insist
that primitive human traits are superior and sacrosanct.
Navigating awkward transitions, that is what I think we are doing
(not necessarily excellently, but making progress). Still passin'
the buck here, your turn. Sorry for no answer Archy, too bad
telepathy isn't an option because the picture is clear but I just
don't trust the words yet.
On 10/4/2012 5:14 AM, gabbydott wrote:
That's right. Us end consumers of your brilliant ideas need time to
consume your complex theories in simple practice for you to see
where
we fail to get your idea for you to better educate and motivate
us. :p
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:25 AM, James<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I was hoping we could evolve sociologically in step with
technology, that
implies an intelligent management infrastructure that
educates and motivates
free agents to make contributions to the works of humanity.
Suitably
educated in the workings of organisms (especially how they
relate and
compare to man), the arts, sciences, elimination of
destitution, poverty,
mental illnesses, the list goes on.. It requires that we
manage things
intelligently, learn from mistakes and move forward. If this
progress
happened in a 100 years I think we would likely reduce our
population to
half within the next hundred, there is nothing logical about
reproducing ad
infinitum and by then the social costs should be obvious
enough, added to
the lack of need as we extend the human lifespan. I think we
have a large
potential in voluntary acts.
Who is pie in the sky now? :p
On 10/3/2012 5:57 PM, archytas wrote:
If workers aren't needed for work, what will happen to
them? The
animal and plant world answer is generally a 'return to
nutrients'.
On 3 Oct, 09:57, Shekila
Tieschmaker<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
how do you get out this group thing ?
__________________________________
From: James<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye thought experiments
Well it is far worse (or better depending on who
is looking at it), many
of the older trades and crafts-people I've met
had an appreciation for
seeing their work as an artform. That would be
my robot heaven, working
toward a world where we can all pursue meaning
and purposeful work without
the burden of resource scarcity. What would it
matter that someone wants to
be a plumber or architect in a day when those
positions are obsolete, if
that is pursuing meaning, it would matter little
more than what restaurant
someone likes to the next guy. In a world that
valued human contribution it
might be a plus, there is a name associated with
the foundation of my home,
or certain furniture or I tweaked my engine to
respond exactly the way I
like in a curve, finding a way to shield a
planet from gamma radiation,
optimizing resource allocations in complex
evolving environments from
nanotech on up to transport vessels for
interplanetary mining and
settlement, etc..
Back to the present time and scale there is the
matter of plotting a
course of innovation by meeting challenges.
Laziness might be a challenge, and frailty, I
haven't met many people
who have had to wash clothes in a bathtub
complain about the advancement of
the washing machine, or get whimsical about
enduring ailments we've found
remedies or therapies for. We seem to be in a
transitional stage, not quite
coming to grips with the world we could create.
Psychology is important to
survival, nonproductive time as some call it, I
eye some of them as suspect
sociopaths. Being motivated can be very
rewarding, it is too bad that out
word for meaningfully motivated is "naive". I'm
taking the long way 'round
with this.
On 9/19/2012 5:56 PM, archytas wrote:
Thought experiments are devices of the
imagination used to investigate
the nature of things. Thought experimenting
often takes place when the
method of variation is employed in
entertaining imaginative
suppositions. They are used for diverse
reasons in a variety of areas,
including economics, history, mathematics,
philosophy, and physics.
Most often thought experiments are
communicated in narrative form,
sometimes through media like a diagram.
Thought experiments should be
distinguished from thinking about
experiments, from merely imagining
any experiments to be conducted outside the
imagination, and from
psychological experiments with thoughts.
They should also be
distinguished from counterfactual reasoning
in general, as they seem
to require an experimental element.
http://plato.stanford.edu/__entries/thought-experiment/
<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/>
One I like is the notion of robot heaven.
It's easy enough to imagine
a time when machines grow our food, build
our shelter and do our
work. The interesting stuff comes in
thinking what this would mean
for wealth distribution and the nature of
society. What work would be
left to do? One can also wonder what place
any of our work ethics
would have in such a society. There may be
some deconstructive effect
on just what current work ideologies are in
place for.
One of the great improvements technology
brought to my life is more or
less never having to go into a bank. The
only real innovations in
banking are the ATM and electronic banking.
This kind of technology
and similar in agriculture and industry
fundamentally reduce the
amount of human effort to grow and make what
we need. We are in
partial state of robot heaven.
Our ideologies are not up to speed. Real
unemployment is massive and
education does little to provide job skills.
We are sold life-styles
and products by insane advertising. Job
creation seems to be in
perverse areas like financial services or
bringing back attended gas-
pumps. With more efficient production we
should be able to afford a
bigger social sector and I can't for the
life of me understand why we
allow competition through crap wages and
conditions.
A great deal of what we pay for could be
available more or less free.
Educational content and utility banking are
examples - these are areas
that could be ratinalised like agriculture
and manufacturing.
Millions of jobs would go. We should be
asking why jobs are so
central to out thinking on wealth
distribution and how we might
encourage work without the rat race.
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