I cold be wrong but isn't that what some are doing here? The challenge
to do so would likely bring a whole new appreciation. If I hadn't said
so already my stance is with progressive augmentation, we will advance
ourselves much faster than recreating or superceding, we offer a perfect
experimental platform IMO, that and the advantages of tech can provide
valuable services to human ends and purposes making R&D a worthwhile
expenditure.
Take the cleverest woman, multiply her by six and embed a personal
mentorship coprocessor, I've been considering whether it'll be available
in my lifetime. Programmers keep volumes of reference manuals and
massive libraries of algorithms, engineers keep unit conversion,
measurement and standards reference books (the little black one is
neat). Sure many people would descend into laziness, but the inspired
ones would make some major advancements and the lazy ones would have
some small hope of keeping up. I'd fit into the category of those who
keep burning the unit out, mostly out of laziness.. but how laziness is
pursued is The context. ;-)
On 10/9/2012 10:28 AM, Allan H wrote:
That could be true if you are only dealing with the physical plane .
as soon as you step the the spiritual realm it is no longer needed. I
do not think there is a programmer that program to deal with that
aspects of life.
Allan
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Vam<[email protected]> wrote:
It will still be more clever than the rest !
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-)
On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam<[email protected]> wrote:
" Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed to
be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for specific
acts or purposes ... "
If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man,
it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been programmed
but it would be more clever than every other man on the planet !
On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the honey bee as a
parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. Species pick up
their behaviors from their groups- some are more dedicated- patterns
can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth with money/
salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed to
be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for specific
acts or purposes but still short of general intelligence, insight and
adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except the final
chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or possible. Hard
work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The 12 year old
across the street has arthritis and started some exercise for
violinists.
On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas<[email protected]> wrote:
The archaeological evidence is that such things as the move to
farming
from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot for those who
cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). The obvious
issue
for present society concerns the dubious status of our work and
life-
style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults in their host
ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work as they become
adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in enslaved ant
consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and 'duty' to the wider
collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement and debt
peonage.
Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning salaries on offer
for
'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! The Chinese
refer
to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant People'.
Some
of my old colleagues inside technological manufacturing used to note
the need for workers was disappearing faster than most knew as work
and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist theme). My own
feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff that James
suggests through the ejukation system - falsely imagining subjects
designed in our dubious past teach anything other than control
fraud.
Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary rot.
Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' than most people
(soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly role once I
clear
up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly because no human
can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share problems with our
'flash memory' - buzz, ping, PTSD etc. - (it's my time of year to
have
flash-backs to Northern Ireland) - getting old is lousy - soon my
friendly solid state world will move from Enlightenment to
Entanglement as I stroke Schrodinger's cat. We have now done this
experimentally with some tinkering.
Memory is increasingly viewed as about our ability to predict the
future - that is its purpose is for this. We find it in non-human
life-forms too. This is related to a general science-view of why a
system would invest in the resources to have memory at all. I'll
leave this babble with the question 'where do the Spartacus ants
raised by the slavers get the memories that inspire rebellion'?
On 6 Oct, 19:50, James<[email protected]> wrote:
From another perspective one might like to appreciate the role
(or a
role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If there is a world
with
meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a challenge to
undertake
exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception or outside our
capacity we might be bound by greater rules in nature. These are
questions I think that arise when the suspicion of being led
becomes
too
great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on that as does
the
diverse symbols at our disposal provided by language, corrupting
as in
coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, shared
language
and
meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives can present a
struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them what impetus
would
there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when and where,
I've
found. That is in part a few features of what I am exploring
currently,
among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks for sharing
what
you gather. :)
On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote:
Lately I have been trying to get out of this physical concept of
things
and look at them from a souls to return to soul with the body as
nothing
more than a means of existing in this physical world. this
seems to
be
changing the perspective on what is conceived as reality.
Allan
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:50 AM, James<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We may be on the same page Gabby, my imagined future
possibilities
are still clouded by unknowns (to me). That I consider a
consequence
of mental bondage to current circumstances, and left
unchecked
can
be demoralizing to creative intelligence. As far as I can
tell
we
are meant to invent solutions to challenges, and hold on as
long
as
possible until the opportunity arises. My opinion is that we
can
do
little to force change but as facilitators we can pursue
strategic
challenges that will open those opportunities.
If I said that in 10 years the technology should be
accessible
to
refine garbage, wood or any other fuel into electricity at
80+
conversion efficiency from common household materials in
your
average (modern) garage there is no shortage of engineers
that
would
call me a quack. If I said that you could do it today with
moderate
access to materials refining equipment, with a net generated
income
over the winter months, and it could be boosted by running a
greenhouse and indoor fishery I would be surely nuts. SOFC,
steam
reforming, plasma reduction, pyrolytic reduction are a few
terms
for
that type of nut.
I think we are missing the spirit of engineering in our
social
and
political dialogue. It could just be me.. we seem to be able
to
redefine just about any kind of waste into an asset, but we
insist
that primitive human traits are superior and sacrosanct.
Navigating awkward transitions, that is what I think we are
doing
(not necessarily excellently, but making progress). Still
passin'
the buck here, your turn. Sorry for no answer Archy, too bad
telepathy isn't an option because the picture is clear but I
just
don't trust the words yet.
On 10/4/2012 5:14 AM, gabbydott wrote:
That's right. Us end consumers of your brilliant ideas
need
time to
consume your complex theories in simple practice for you
to
see
where
we fail to get your idea for you to better educate and
motivate
us. :p
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:25 AM,
James<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I was hoping we could evolve sociologically in step
with
technology, that
implies an intelligent management infrastructure
that
educates and motivates
free agents to make contributions to the works of
humanity.
Suitably
educated in the workings of organisms (especially
how
they
relate and
compare to man), the arts, sciences, elimination of
destitution, poverty,
mental illnesses, the list goes on.. It requires
that we
manage things
intelligently, learn from mistakes and move forward.
If
this
progress
happened in a 100 years I think we would likely
reduce
our
population to
half within the next hundred, there is nothing
logical
about
reproducing ad
infinitum and by then the social costs should be
obvious
enough, added to
the lack of need as we extend the human lifespan. I
think we
have a large
potential in voluntary acts.
Who is pie in the sky now? :p
On 10/3/2012 5:57 PM, archytas wrote:
If workers aren't needed for work, what will
happen
to
them? The
animal and plant world answer is generally a
'return
to
nutrients'.
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