Certainly there are countless who have tried, however.We are still dealing with behaviors/beliefs going back 6,000 years if not longer, aren't we? The cave man type still exists, doesn't he? :-)
On Oct 9, 9:28 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > That could be true if you are only dealing with the physical plane . > as soon as you step the the spiritual realm it is no longer needed. I > do not think there is a programmer that program to deal with that > aspects of life. > Allan > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > It will still be more clever than the rest ! > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > > >> Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-) > > >> On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > " Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed to > >> > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for specific > >> > acts or purposes ... " > > >> > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man, > > >> > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been programmed > > >> > but it would be more clever than every other man on the planet ! > > >> > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote: > > >> > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter the honey bee as a > >> > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination. Species pick up > >> > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more dedicated- patterns > >> > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating worth with money/ > >> > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have been programmed to > >> > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some humans for specific > >> > > acts or purposes but still short of general intelligence, insight and > >> > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey" except the final > >> > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized or possible. Hard > >> > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth. The 12 year old > >> > > across the street has arthritis and started some exercise for > >> > > violinists. > > >> > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as the move to > >> > > > farming > >> > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human lot for those who > >> > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the work). The obvious > >> > > > issue > >> > > > for present society concerns the dubious status of our work and > >> > > > life- > >> > > > style ideologies. Slave-making ants kill the adults in their host > >> > > > ants and steal the 'eggs' in order to steal the work as they become > >> > > > adult by making them raise their own brood. Even in enslaved ant > >> > > > consciousness something inspires 'rebellion' and 'duty' to the wider > >> > > > collective. Humans have a sad history of enslavement and debt > >> > > > peonage. > >> > > > Undergraduates can be heard every year bemoaning salaries on offer > >> > > > for > >> > > > 'all their hard work' - few of them have done any! The Chinese > >> > > > refer > >> > > > to their graduates who don't get the good jobs as 'Ant People'. > >> > > > Some > >> > > > of my old colleagues inside technological manufacturing used to note > >> > > > the need for workers was disappearing faster than most knew as work > >> > > > and skill is embodied in technology (an old marxist theme). My own > >> > > > feeling is that we have killed off much valuable stuff that James > >> > > > suggests through the ejukation system - falsely imagining subjects > >> > > > designed in our dubious past teach anything other than control > >> > > > fraud. > >> > > > Even medical training involves a lot of unnecessary rot. > >> > > > Some of us think machines are better at 'thinking' than most people > >> > > > (soon Gabby will be made redundant from her Gad-fly role once I > >> > > > clear > >> > > > up a few teething problems with the bots!), partly because no human > >> > > > can encompass the data loads. Allan and I share problems with our > >> > > > 'flash memory' - buzz, ping, PTSD etc. - (it's my time of year to > >> > > > have > >> > > > flash-backs to Northern Ireland) - getting old is lousy - soon my > >> > > > friendly solid state world will move from Enlightenment to > >> > > > Entanglement as I stroke Schrodinger's cat. We have now done this > >> > > > experimentally with some tinkering. > >> > > > Memory is increasingly viewed as about our ability to predict the > >> > > > future - that is its purpose is for this. We find it in non-human > >> > > > life-forms too. This is related to a general science-view of why a > >> > > > system would invest in the resources to have memory at all. I'll > >> > > > leave this babble with the question 'where do the Spartacus ants > >> > > > raised by the slavers get the memories that inspire rebellion'? > > >> > > > On 6 Oct, 19:50, James <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > From another perspective one might like to appreciate the role > >> > > > > (or a > >> > > > > role) of life as within an integral spectrum. If there is a world > >> > > > > with > >> > > > > meaning beyond our conceptions it would present a challenge to > >> > > undertake > >> > > > > exploration and discovery. Regardless of conception or outside our > >> > > > > capacity we might be bound by greater rules in nature. These are > >> > > > > questions I think that arise when the suspicion of being led > >> > > > > becomes > >> > > too > >> > > > > great to ignore, fear has a corrupting influence on that as does > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > diverse symbols at our disposal provided by language, corrupting > >> > > > > as in > >> > > > > coloring and distorting. But the tools of identity, shared > >> > > > > language > >> > > and > >> > > > > meanings can facilitate discovery. Internal motives can present a > >> > > > > struggle for a clear picture, and yet without them what impetus > >> > > > > would > >> > > > > there be? Context is amazingly significant, the when and where, > >> > > > > I've > >> > > > > found. That is in part a few features of what I am exploring > >> > > currently, > >> > > > > among the jumble. This can be intimate stuff, thanks for sharing > >> > > > > what > >> > > > > you gather. :) > > >> > > > > On 10/5/2012 4:25 AM, Allan H wrote: > > >> > > > > > Lately I have been trying to get out of this physical concept of > >> > > things > >> > > > > > and look at them from a souls to return to soul with the body as > >> > > nothing > >> > > > > > more than a means of existing in this physical world. this > >> > > > > > seems to > >> > > be > >> > > > > > changing the perspective on what is conceived as reality. > >> > > > > > Allan > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:50 AM, James <[email protected] > >> > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> > > > > > We may be on the same page Gabby, my imagined future > >> > > possibilities > >> > > > > > are still clouded by unknowns (to me). That I consider a > >> > > consequence > >> > > > > > of mental bondage to current circumstances, and left > >> > > > > > unchecked > >> > > can > >> > > > > > be demoralizing to creative intelligence. As far as I can > >> > > > > > tell > >> > > we > >> > > > > > are meant to invent solutions to challenges, and hold on as > >> > > > > > long > >> > > as > >> > > > > > possible until the opportunity arises. My opinion is that we > >> > > > > > can > >> > > do > >> > > > > > little to force change but as facilitators we can pursue > >> > > strategic > >> > > > > > challenges that will open those opportunities. > > >> > > > > > If I said that in 10 years the technology should be > >> > > > > > accessible > >> > > to > >> > > > > > refine garbage, wood or any other fuel into electricity at > >> > > > > > 80+ > >> > > > > > conversion efficiency from common household materials in > >> > > > > > your > >> > > > > > average (modern) garage there is no shortage of engineers > >> > > > > > that > >> > > would > >> > > > > > call me a quack. If I said that you could do it today with > >> > > moderate > >> > > > > > access to materials refining equipment, with a net generated > >> > > income > >> > > > > > over the winter months, and it could be boosted by running a > >> > > > > > greenhouse and indoor fishery I would be surely nuts. SOFC, > >> > > steam > >> > > > > > reforming, plasma reduction, pyrolytic reduction are a few > >> > > > > > terms > >> > > for > >> > > > > > that type of nut. > > >> > > > > > I think we are missing the spirit of engineering in our > >> > > > > > social > >> > > and > >> > > > > > political dialogue. It could just be me.. we seem to be able > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > > > redefine just about any kind of waste into an asset, but we > >> > > insist > >> > > > > > that primitive human traits are superior and sacrosanct. > > >> > > > > > Navigating awkward transitions, that is what I think we are > >> > > doing > >> > > > > > (not necessarily excellently, but making progress). Still > >> > > passin' > >> > > > > > the buck here, your turn. Sorry for no answer Archy, too bad > >> > > > > > telepathy isn't an option because the picture is clear but I > >> > > just > >> > > > > > don't trust the words yet. > > >> > > > > > On 10/4/2012 5:14 AM, gabbydott wrote: > > >> > > > > > That's right. Us end consumers of your brilliant ideas > >> > > > > > need > >> > > time to > >> > > > > > consume your complex theories in simple practice for you > >> > > > > > to > >> > > see > >> > > > > > where > >> > > > > > we fail to get your idea for you to better educate and > >> > > motivate > >> > > > > > us. :p > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:25 AM, > >> > > > > > James<[email protected] > >> > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> > > > > > I was hoping we could evolve sociologically in step > >> > > > > > with > >> > > > > > technology, that > >> > > > > > implies an intelligent management infrastructure > >> > > > > > that > >> > > > > > educates and motivates > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
