Maybe even black and tan snakes? Growing up, I heard a lot of jibes about other nationalities and religions but today our skin has been thinned.
On Oct 12, 1:39 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The literature is legion and intriguingly hard to access. This is the > abstract of one paper: > > People sometimes fantasize entire complex scenarios and later define > these experiences as memories of actual events rather than as > imaginings. This article examines research associated with three such > phenomena: past-life experiences, UFO alien contact and abduction, and > memory reports of childhood ritual Satanic abuse. In each case, > elicitation of the fantasy events is frequently associated with > hypnotic procedures and structured interviews which provide strong and > repeated demands for the requisite experiences, and which then > legitimate the experiences as “real memories.” Research associated > with these phenomena supports the hypothesis that recall is > reconstructive and organized in terms of current expectations and > beliefs. > > There were green snakes in my dreams too (the other side rigs!). The > Dutch were the 'Germans' of the 16th and 17th centuries Allan - as in > the phrase 'the Devil shits Dutchmen'. The population of Ireland was > once 12 million. My own solution to the troubles was to resettle the > Jews or Hong Kong Chinese in the place. One old meat-packing town in > the South is full of Brazilians. > > On 12 Oct, 19:19, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Maths research in the prestigious Proceedings of the Royal Society A - > > ‘Einstein’s special relativity beyond the speed of light’. The > > formulas extend special relativity to a situation where the relative > > velocity can be infinite, and can be used to describe motion at speeds > > faster than light. > > The paper doesn’t try and explain how this could be achieved, just how > > equations of motion might operate in such regimes. Reference:James M. > > Hill and Barry J. Cox, Einstein's special relativity beyond the speed > > of light, Proceedings of the Royal Society A, 2012, DOI: 10.1098/rspa. > > 2012.0340 > > > Academic experience can be debilitating in the sense one always finds > > huge amounts of stuff has already been said and published on almost > > anything one might turn one's attention to. Students rarely access > > this material and lots of it is puerile. It's hard to encourage > > thinking when one knows the ideas are mostly all already in print. > > The question for me is how we can get into different debate and feel > > our lives and thoughts have value. The Kantian sublime contains > > something of the 'of mice and men' and the possibility it's not all > > farce. > > > Thanks for the compliment rigsy. I think many lives would be more > > interesting if we could free ourselves of all the dull 'beautiful > > lies' and dream more. I doubt one can approach any subject with full > > foundational knowledge now - indeed some science is so complex the > > only things that 'understand' it are the machines doing it. Their > > will be academic work on UFOs. I'll have a quick look and report > > back. > > > Posted at 07:20 AM | Permalink > > > On 10 Oct, 13:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange > > > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and > > > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often > > > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished > > > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer > > > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems > > > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some > > > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of > > > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some > > > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day > > > dreams. > > > > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of > > > > our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage > > > > that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight > > > > and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our > > > > recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not > > > > surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that > > > > they share so many processes. > > > > I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may: > > > > 1 - have seen a UFO > > > > 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated > > > > 3 - be making up the story (no accusations) > > > > > Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin. > > > > There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people > > > > who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual > > > > abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after > > > > some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew > > > > off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid > > > > under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange > > > > snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove > > > > puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch > > > > shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my > > > > old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom > > > > window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at > > > > this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously > > > > connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain. > > > > > Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of > > > > no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live. > > > > > On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi James! > > > > > > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind > > > > > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the > > > > > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF > > > > > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors. > > > > > > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my > > > > > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't > > > > > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary > > > > > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to > > > > > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal > > > > > stuff, > > > > > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those > > > > > things > > > > > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How > > > > > are > > > > > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources > > > > > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and > > > > > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In > > > > > the > > > > > heart, or in the head?" > > > > > > --Bill > > > > > > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority > > > > > > but > > > > > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't > > > > > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences > > > > > > as > > > > > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out > > > > > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity. > > > > > > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time > > > > > > now, > > > > > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species > > > > > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be > > > > > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need > > > > > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab > > > > > > bushmen and keep a low profile? > > > > > > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species > > > > > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or > > > > > > fundamentally > > > > > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there > > > > > > might > > > > > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach, > > > > > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other > > > > > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but > > > > > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve > > > > > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and > > > > > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just > > > > > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. > > > > > > Or > > > > > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. > > > > > > heh > > > > > > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote: > > > > > > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are > > > > > >> somewhat more > > > > > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets > > > > > >> served > > > > > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess > > > > > >> I'll > > > > > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat > > > > > >> with > > > > > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending > > > > > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends. > > > > > > >> --Bill > > > > > > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote: > > > > > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad > > > > > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions.. > > > > > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi > > > > > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his > > > > > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I > > > > > >>> said > > > > > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the > > > > > >>> door. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
