The Protestants of Northern Ireland are also known as Orangemen. On Oct 10, 7:22 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > Nah orange is the Netherlands,,, comes from the house of orange.. > and yes the royal family like all royal families are houses of > snakes.. > > Yes dream wizard in place; need regular reports so we can fix the errors > lol > Allan > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange > > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and > > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often > > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished > > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer > > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems > > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some > > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of > > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some > > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day > > dreams. > > > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of > >> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage > >> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight > >> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our > >> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not > >> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that > >> they share so many processes. > >> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may: > >> 1 - have seen a UFO > >> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated > >> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations) > > >> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin. > >> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people > >> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual > >> abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after > >> some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew > >> off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid > >> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange > >> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove > >> puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch > >> shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my > >> old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom > >> window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at > >> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously > >> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain. > > >> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of > >> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live. > > >> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Hi James! > > >> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind > >> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the > >> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF > >> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors. > > >> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my > >> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't > >> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary > >> > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to > >> > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff, > >> > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those things > >> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are > >> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources > >> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and > >> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the > >> > heart, or in the head?" > > >> > --Bill > > >> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote: > > >> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but > >> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't > >> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as > >> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out > >> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity. > > >> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now, > >> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species > >> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be > >> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need > >> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab > >> > > bushmen and keep a low profile? > > >> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species > >> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally > >> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might > >> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach, > >> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other > >> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but > >> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve > >> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and > >> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just > >> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or > >> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh > > >> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote: > > >> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat > >> > >> more > >> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets > >> > >> served > >> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess > >> > >> I'll > >> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat > >> > >> with > >> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending > >> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends. > > >> > >> --Bill > > >> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote: > >> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad > >> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions.. > >> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi > >> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his > >> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the > >> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said > >> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the > >> > >>> door. > >> > >>> Allan > > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <[email protected]> > >> > >>> wrote: > > >> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have > >> > >>>> long > >> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've > >> > >>>> talked a > >> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still > >> > >>>> interested in > >> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular, > >> > >>>> I'm > >> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people > >> > >>>> dealing > >> > >>>> with? > >> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and > >> > >>>> Nordics > >> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create > >> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, > >> > >>>> having > >> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth > >> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling > >> > >>>> in > >> > >>>> these > >> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual > >> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers > >> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than > >> > >>>> ennobled by > >> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original > >> > >>>> parents of > >> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their > >> > >>>> post-abduction > >> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques > >> > >>>> Valee, > >> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, > >> > >>>> compares this > >> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies. > > >> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but > >> > >>>> something > >> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least > >> > >>>> speculate, on > >> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences, > >> > >>>> dressed > >> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume? > > >> > >>>> --Bill > > >> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote: > >> > >>>>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I > >> > >>>>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But > >> > >>>>> this > >> > >>>>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a > >> > >>>>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a > >> > >>>>> wily > >> > >>>>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past. > >> > >>>>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until > >> > >>>>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not > >> > >>>>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous > >> > >>>>> millions. > > >> > >>>>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>>>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this > >> > >>>>>> has > >> > >>>>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even > >> > >>>>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in > >> > >>>>>> retro to > >> > >>>>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or > >> > >>>>>> nachtraglich > >> > >>>>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey > >> > >>>>>> and > >> > >>>>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended > >> > >>>>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making > >> > >>>>>> sense > >> > >>>>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as > >> > >>>>>> to > >> > >>>>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised > >> > >>>>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking > >> > >>>>>> when > >> > >>>>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we > >> > >>>>>> see > >> > >>>>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions. > > >> > >>>>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >>>>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but > >> > >>>>>>> rather > >> > >>>>>>> they > >> > >>>>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them > >> > >>>>>>> from > >> > >>>>>>> learning to think for themselves. > >> > >>>>>>> Allan > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of > >> > >>>>>>>> public > >> > >>>>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future > >> > >>>>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are > >> > >>>>>>>> sick > >> > >>>>>>>> of the cultural garbage. > >> > >>>>>>>> On Oct > > >> ... > > >> read more »- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > -- > ( > ) > |_D Allan > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > I am a Natural Airgunner - > > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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