The Crown had lost its head...I try to avoid Cromwell- some sort of visceral dislike/fear. Swift was a master of rebuke. I think mostly of the 19th and 20th centuries- Home Rule- the various characters including Churchill's father- the "troubles". Besides the religious issues, it was also a trade contest for influence. I suppose I was drawn via Wilde, Yeats and Joyce.
On Oct 11, 12:59 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > I know Rigsy they are just a house of snakes up there,, the english > invasion of Ireland they were trying to blame on the Dutch.. it was > Cromwell's reward by the english crown,, > Still a bunch of snakes just like thier name sakes > Allan > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:55 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Protestants of Northern Ireland are also known as Orangemen. > > > On Oct 10, 7:22 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Nah orange is the Netherlands,,, comes from the house of orange.. > >> and yes the royal family like all royal families are houses of > >> snakes.. > > >> Yes dream wizard in place; need regular reports so we can fix the errors > >> lol > >> Allan > > >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange > >> > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and > >> > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often > >> > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished > >> > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer > >> > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems > >> > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some > >> > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of > >> > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some > >> > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day > >> > dreams. > > >> > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of > >> >> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage > >> >> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight > >> >> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our > >> >> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not > >> >> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that > >> >> they share so many processes. > >> >> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may: > >> >> 1 - have seen a UFO > >> >> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated > >> >> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations) > > >> >> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin. > >> >> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people > >> >> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual > >> >> abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after > >> >> some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew > >> >> off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid > >> >> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange > >> >> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove > >> >> puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch > >> >> shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my > >> >> old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom > >> >> window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at > >> >> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously > >> >> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain. > > >> >> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of > >> >> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live. > > >> >> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > Hi James! > > >> >> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind > >> >> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the > >> >> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF > >> >> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors. > > >> >> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my > >> >> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't > >> >> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary > >> >> > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to > >> >> > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal > >> >> > stuff, > >> >> > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those > >> >> > things > >> >> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How > >> >> > are > >> >> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources > >> >> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and > >> >> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In > >> >> > the > >> >> > heart, or in the head?" > > >> >> > --Bill > > >> >> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote: > > >> >> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority > >> >> > > but > >> >> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't > >> >> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences > >> >> > > as > >> >> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out > >> >> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity. > > >> >> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time > >> >> > > now, > >> >> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species > >> >> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be > >> >> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need > >> >> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab > >> >> > > bushmen and keep a low profile? > > >> >> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species > >> >> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or > >> >> > > fundamentally > >> >> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there > >> >> > > might > >> >> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach, > >> >> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other > >> >> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but > >> >> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve > >> >> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and > >> >> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just > >> >> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. > >> >> > > Or > >> >> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. > >> >> > > heh > > >> >> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote: > > >> >> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are > >> >> > >> somewhat more > >> >> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets > >> >> > >> served > >> >> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess > >> >> > >> I'll > >> >> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat > >> >> > >> with > >> >> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending > >> >> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends. > > >> >> > >> --Bill > > >> >> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote: > >> >> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad > >> >> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions.. > >> >> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi > >> >> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his > >> >> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching > >> >> > >>> the > >> >> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I > >> >> > >>> said > >> >> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the > >> >> > >>> door. > >> >> > >>> Allan > > >> >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts > >> >> > >>> <[email protected]> > >> >> > >>> wrote: > > >> >> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we > >> >> > >>>> have > >> >> > >>>> long > >> >> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've > >> >> > >>>> talked a > >> >> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still > >> >> > >>>> interested in > >> >> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In > >> >> > >>>> particular, > >> >> > >>>> I'm > >> >> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people > >> >> > >>>> dealing > >> >> > >>>> with? > >> >> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, > >> >> > >>>> and > >> >> > >>>> Nordics > >> >> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to > >> >> > >>>> create > >> >> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, > >> >> > >>>> having > >> >> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with > >> >> > >>>> Earth > >> >> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something > >> >> > >>>> compelling in > >> >> > >>>> these > >> >> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated > >> >> > >>>> sexual > >> >> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction > >> >> > >>>> experiencers > >> >> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than > >> >> > >>>> ennobled by > >> >> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original > >> >> > >>>> parents of > >> >> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their > >> >> > >>>> post-abduction > >> >> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques > >> >> > >>>> Valee, > >> >> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, > >> >> > >>>> compares this > >> >> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies. > > >> >> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, > >> >> > >>>> but > >> >> > >>>> something > >> >> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least > >> >> > >>>> speculate, on > >> >> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious > >> >> > >>>> experiences, > >> >> > >>>> dressed > >> >> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume? > > >> >> > >>>> --Bill > > >> >> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote: > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
