What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day dreams.
On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of > our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage > that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight > and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our > recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not > surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that > they share so many processes. > I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may: > 1 - have seen a UFO > 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated > 3 - be making up the story (no accusations) > > Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin. > There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people > who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual > abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after > some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew > off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid > under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange > snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove > puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch > shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my > old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom > window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at > this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously > connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain. > > Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of > no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live. > > On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi James! > > > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind > > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the > > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF > > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors. > > > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my > > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't > > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary > > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to > > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff, > > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those things > > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are > > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources > > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and > > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the > > heart, or in the head?" > > > --Bill > > > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote: > > > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but > > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't > > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as > > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out > > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity. > > > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now, > > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species > > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be > > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need > > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab > > > bushmen and keep a low profile? > > > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species > > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally > > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might > > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach, > > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other > > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but > > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve > > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and > > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just > > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or > > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh > > > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote: > > > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more > > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served > > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll > > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with > > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending > > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends. > > > >> --Bill > > > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote: > > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad > > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions.. > > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi > > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his > > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the > > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said > > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the > > >>> door. > > >>> Allan > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have > > >>>> long > > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a > > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still > > >>>> interested in > > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular, > > >>>> I'm > > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing > > >>>> with? > > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and > > >>>> Nordics > > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create > > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, > > >>>> having > > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth > > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in > > >>>> these > > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual > > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers > > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than > > >>>> ennobled by > > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original > > >>>> parents of > > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their > > >>>> post-abduction > > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee, > > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread, > > >>>> compares this > > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies. > > > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but > > >>>> something > > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least > > >>>> speculate, on > > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences, > > >>>> dressed > > >>>> up in Star Trek costume? > > > >>>> --Bill > > > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote: > > >>>>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I > > >>>>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this > > >>>>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a > > >>>>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily > > >>>>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past. > > >>>>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until > > >>>>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not > > >>>>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous > > >>>>> millions. > > > >>>>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has > > >>>>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even > > >>>>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in > > >>>>>> retro to > > >>>>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich > > >>>>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and > > >>>>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended > > >>>>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making > > >>>>>> sense > > >>>>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to > > >>>>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised > > >>>>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking > > >>>>>> when > > >>>>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we > > >>>>>> see > > >>>>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions. > > > >>>>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather > > >>>>>>> they > > >>>>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them > > >>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>> learning to think for themselves. > > >>>>>>> Allan > > >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of > > >>>>>>>> public > > >>>>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future > > >>>>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are > > >>>>>>>> sick > > >>>>>>>> of the cultural garbage. > > >>>>>>>> On Oct > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
