Even one person one vote isn't it on its own. Majorities are manipulable and often wrong. If you look at an issue like abortion - which I think should be available and also avoided by better sexual practice - there might be a majority against for all sorts of superstitious reasons. The US relies on Roe v Wade rather than statute. For all the romanticism of Irish republicanism, they leave a young, raped girl to 'her fate'. I believe there comes a time when we should have help to slip from the mortal coil but one can immediately see problems. Molly talks of embracing pardoxes - but much of the difficulty concerns cultural ideologies based in the manipulation of ignorance. Any half-wit should be able to grasp that the treatment of wages as a cost to be hammered down is inconsistent with a developed economy and genuinely available opportunity for most. Yet our politics treats the dominant ideology of a race to the bottom on wages as as taken as read as any Soviet claptrap. Worker unions are to be detested, yet managers, owners and professionals are more unionised than any set of mine workers in history.
Science more or less accepts we are good and evil and that the unit that promotes good behaviour is the social. Virtue ethics arise in writing within an unchallenged slave economy - I don't want to be 'pure' and live off the backs of others (though inevitably as I grow creaky I do). I'm sick of phrases like 'flexible employment' that mean a return of 'you, you and not you' casual labour and managerial abuse in a unitary framework of the employment relationship. Disgusted would be a more accurate term - much morality comes with that feeling (scientifically). The story of what is happening in America and the imposition of 'individualist' ideology (a bad joke when one looks at the lack of it in American Football) has been long told. When are we individual and when are we selfish prats? You look very individual when you step the big forward, stiff the sweeper, dummy the fullback and dive over the line. Try doing that without the guy who gave the precision pass, the guys running interference and all the attrition that knackered the big forward giving you the edge. My grandson has just had a small knee operation free at point of delivery. The hospital had a room with Xbox (all donated). We get some stuff right. Must go to collect him. On 12 Nov, 09:20, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it is it should be one person one vote,, and the corporate > wallet closed completely and with a maximum amount that can be > donated (nation wide ) with no exception,, > > effectively the excessively rich and companies and the companies.. > The super pacs need to be forced to revel all donors and the amount > they donated.. and that is a minimum these organizations should be > totally removed. the Pacs as a republican invention and they need to > be brought into control. > > the US has created a political money quagmire.. > Allan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:48 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's back to humane values and sensible choices, perhaps. We don't > > have to buy into the cultural or commercial hoopla. I will think more > > about this. > > > On Nov 11, 2:45 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You are right rigsy - but we have to get somewhere beyond. What is it > >> in our arguments, sentiments and the rest that hold us back? And may > >> be very wrong? > > >> Allan is right we could vote better with our wallets. We could, for > >> instance, all bank with mutuals and have more local economies > >> (Andrew). Problems are as Andrew says when the wallet is empty and > >> also that we already have 'one dollar one vote'. > > >> I doubt the academic-legal-commercial argument as argument at all. We > >> have a paedophile scandal in the UK - but even the media reporting it > >> has forgotten it reported such a generation ago (the key documentaries > >> were called 'Cathy Come Home'.and 'Johnny Go Home') and misses the > >> point that they key point is what evidence we can believe when false > >> accusations are so easy to make and make life very difficult for real > >> victims. Our public inquiry systems are proving increasingly > >> untrustworthy. When one teaches critical reasoning it quickly becomes > >> clear most people are no good at it. I'm quite sure our mainstream > >> media has almost no clue and that many lawyers, judges and politicians > >> would fail standard tests. But surely the route here cannot be to > >> elite groups of philosopher kings - but should be towards properly > >> available facts - leaving us with problems about who controls that > >> production. 'The rich', whoever they are, already do this. > > >> On 11 Nov, 11:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Matriarchies are what started the problems and from history they tend > >> > to love war.. > >> > they are not a solution.. > >> > Allan > > >> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > I think that matriarchies are back in style- in all races and nations- > >> > > and think it will be just as suffocating as the patriarchy. > > >> > > On Nov 11, 1:39 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Voting with your wallet could be an effective way to change things > >> > >> and put > >> > >> the wealthy exploiters out of business. Buying cheap products is more > >> > >> expensive in the long term anyways. Buying food from local markets > >> > >> is also > >> > >> healthier. As long as we all play the game, the game will keep playing > >> > >> until every business becomes a monopoly and globalization will take > >> > >> over > >> > >> our wallets. Once our wallets are gone, we are really screwed and > >> > >> will have > >> > >> no other choice than to play robin hood. So much for free markets. > > >> > >> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:41:52 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > >> > >> > We lack simple explanation that isn't crass Allan. I have little > >> > >> > doubt the rich have stolen the wealth they have and it should be > >> > >> > taken > >> > >> > from them - but how do we do this without it ending up with big > >> > >> > government that doesn't work any better? I think we are tranced by > >> > >> > a > >> > >> > work ethic that really makes no sense. We need facts on just how > >> > >> > much > >> > >> > work needs to be done and how we might organise that. Simples! Yet > >> > >> > no answer because we don't understand the 'trancing'. > > >> > >> > On 10 Nov, 07:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > From what I see is the answer lies in manufacturing. And crazy > >> > >> > > things > >> > >> > like > >> > >> > > 50% less sales tax on products that are produced in the country > >> > >> > > origin, > >> > >> > > that includes good thru all industrial products. > > >> > >> > > Better tax collection on all international corporations and stock > >> > >> > > or > >> > >> > money > >> > >> > > sent out of the country. > > >> > >> > > In the US all corporation papers say they agree to abide by all > >> > >> > > the laws > >> > >> > > and if they don't they lose all corporate rights and privileges. > >> > >> > > This > >> > >> > > needs to be enforced and you will see major changes in business. > >> > >> > > You > >> > >> > have > >> > >> > > to remember tax evasion is against the law. > >> > >> > > Allan > > >> > >> > > Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly > >> > >> > > On Nov 10, 2012 2:04 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > > The weird thing is that we are being told all sorts of stuff > >> > >> > > > can't be > >> > >> > > > 'afforded' - yet productivity is up by factors of ten since we > >> > >> > > > did > >> > >> > > > decent things like national health services - we should be able > >> > >> > > > to > >> > >> > > > afford loads more. In the UK we were told the answer was US > >> > >> > > > management, then Japanese - German stuff had too much industrial > >> > >> > > > democracy for our business ethos. Even the IMF has realised > >> > >> > > > austerity > >> > >> > > > is a crock. We're in the grips of something else. Debt is the > >> > >> > > > obvious answer -but we have to address our attitudes towards > >> > >> > > > it. Its > >> > >> > > > owned by robber barons and all link between work and reward has > >> > >> > > > really > >> > >> > > > gone. > > >> > >> > > > On 9 Nov, 21:59, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > I totally agree with you management is based on rot..but from > >> > >> > > > > what I > >> > >> > > > > have been reading it is the same problem from eons ago,, > >> > >> > > > > unchanged > >> > >> > > > > what does it take to get management that is interested in the > >> > >> > > > > betterment of society .. the ideas sit with in beliefs > >> > >> > > > > which puts > >> > >> > > > > part of the burdens on religions ,, then the problems comes > >> > >> > > > > how does > >> > >> > > > > one get beliefs to work for the betterment of mankind in this > >> > >> > > > > world. > >> > >> > > > > Allan > > >> > >> > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, archytas <[email protected]> > >> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > Get your head back on Al - I know about the Japanese war > >> > >> > > > > > crimes. > >> > >> > The > >> > >> > > > > > book I was referring to was written by a Japanese clown. > >> > >> > > > > > The > >> > >> > point is > >> > >> > > > > > that management miracles are based on rot.. > > >> > >> > > > > > On 9 Nov, 19:07, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> Neil I had two uncles in ww II One in the European theater > >> > >> > > > > >> the > >> > >> > other > >> > >> > > > > >> was in pacific theater and was captured even before the war > >> > >> > started in > >> > >> > > > > >> my memory is right he survived 2 death ship and four > >> > >> > > > > >> death > >> > >> > marches > >> > >> > > > > >> that is talking five years of imprisonment into account > >> > >> > > > > >> loss of > >> > >> > close > >> > >> > > > > >> to 70 kilos.. you need to get your facts straight as to > >> > >> > strategies of > >> > >> > > > > >> both wars.. and if Germany was acting like J ,, Berlin > >> > >> > > > > >> would > >> > >> > have > >> > >> > > > > >> been Nuclear ashes also.. > > >> > >> > > > > >> Yes the US has serious fiscal problems.. thanks to some > >> > >> > > > > >> irresponsible politicians starting with the Reagan > >> > >> > administration .. > >> > >> > > > > >> hopefully they will get something done . and stop > >> > >> > > > > >> sticking one > >> > >> > thumb > >> > >> > > > > >> in their mouth and the other in their ass then rotating. > > >> > >> > > > > >> As for what happens iihope for the best but in reality > >> > >> > > > > >> we will > >> > >> > > > see.. > >> > >> > > > > >> Allan > > >> > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, archytas > >> > >> > > > > >> <[email protected]> > >> > >> > wrote: > > >> > >> > > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-debt-problems-threaten-t... > > >> > >> > > > > >> > The Germans are considering the USA as a potential > >> > >> > > > > >> > Greece. > > >> > >> > > > > >> > I'm remembering attitudes towards Japan in the 1980s. > >> > >> > > > > >> > There > >> > >> > was a > >> > >> > > > > >> > dreadful book called 'The Japan That Can Say No' which > >> > >> > summaries > >> > >> > > > thus: > > >> > >> > > > > >> > + Japan must use its technological superiority as a > >> > >> > > > > >> > negotiating > >> > >> > > > > >> > weapon, and it should > >> > >> > > > > >> > even threaten to trade secrets with the Soviet Union as a > >> > >> > bargaining > >> > >> > > > > >> > tool against the US and refuse to sell components that > >> > >> > > > > >> > go into > >> > >> > US > >> > >> > > > > >> > missiles. > >> > >> > > > > >> > + The quality of American goods is low because the level > >> > >> > > > > >> > of the > >> > >> > > > > >> > workers is low, while the superior education of Japanese > >> > >> > workers is > >> > >> > > > a > >> > >> > > > > >> > big advantage. > >> > >> > > > > >> > + The Japanese character is innately superior to the > >> > >> > > > > >> > character > >> > >> > of > >> > >> > > > > >> > Americans. > >> > >> > > > > >> > + Americans believe that the Caucasian race is superior > >> > >> > > > > >> > since > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > > > > >> > modern era is dominated by the western world, and this > >> > >> > prejudice > >> > >> > > > will > >> > >> > > > > >> > hurt them in the end. > >> > >> > > > > >> > + Former American colonies are rife with problems, while > >> > >> > > > > >> > former > >> > >> > > > > >> > Japanese colonies are thriving. > > >> > >> > > > > >> > + America's dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan and not > >> > >> > Germany in > >> > >> > > > > >> > World War II arose from racism because Germans are white > >> > >> > > > > >> > people > >> > >> > and > >> > >> > > > > >> > Japanese are not. (Though at the time of the German > >> > >> > > > > >> > defeat in > >> > >> > April > >> > >> > > > > >> > 1945, the atomic bomb was as yet incomplete and untested > >> > >> > > > > >> > until > >> > >> > July > >> > >> > > > > >> > 16, 1945, so that may have > > ... > > read more » --
