You seem to see morality as a group thing rather than an individual struggle between good and evil- which is a religious/spiritual matter. As for individualism, it is a necessary tension against "the roar of the crowd". There are too many examples to list.
On Nov 12, 9:49 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Even one person one vote isn't it on its own. Majorities are > manipulable and often wrong. If you look at an issue like abortion - > which I think should be available and also avoided by better sexual > practice - there might be a majority against for all sorts of > superstitious reasons. The US relies on Roe v Wade rather than > statute. For all the romanticism of Irish republicanism, they leave a > young, raped girl to 'her fate'. I believe there comes a time when we > should have help to slip from the mortal coil but one can immediately > see problems. Molly talks of embracing pardoxes - but much of the > difficulty concerns cultural ideologies based in the manipulation of > ignorance. Any half-wit should be able to grasp that the treatment of > wages as a cost to be hammered down is inconsistent with a developed > economy and genuinely available opportunity for most. Yet our > politics treats the dominant ideology of a race to the bottom on wages > as as taken as read as any Soviet claptrap. Worker unions are to be > detested, yet managers, owners and professionals are more unionised > than any set of mine workers in history. > > Science more or less accepts we are good and evil and that the unit > that promotes good behaviour is the social. Virtue ethics arise in > writing within an unchallenged slave economy - I don't want to be > 'pure' and live off the backs of others (though inevitably as I grow > creaky I do). I'm sick of phrases like 'flexible employment' that > mean a return of 'you, you and not you' casual labour and managerial > abuse in a unitary framework of the employment relationship. > Disgusted would be a more accurate term - much morality comes with > that feeling (scientifically). > > The story of what is happening in America and the imposition of > 'individualist' ideology (a bad joke when one looks at the lack of it > in American Football) has been long told. When are we individual and > when are we selfish prats? You look very individual when you step the > big forward, stiff the sweeper, dummy the fullback and dive over the > line. Try doing that without the guy who gave the precision pass, the > guys running interference and all the attrition that knackered the big > forward giving you the edge. > > My grandson has just had a small knee operation free at point of > delivery. The hospital had a room with Xbox (all donated). We get > some stuff right. Must go to collect him. > > On 12 Nov, 09:20, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think it is it should be one person one vote,, and the corporate > > wallet closed completely and with a maximum amount that can be > > donated (nation wide ) with no exception,, > > > effectively the excessively rich and companies and the companies.. > > The super pacs need to be forced to revel all donors and the amount > > they donated.. and that is a minimum these organizations should be > > totally removed. the Pacs as a republican invention and they need to > > be brought into control. > > > the US has created a political money quagmire.. > > Allan > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:48 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's back to humane values and sensible choices, perhaps. We don't > > > have to buy into the cultural or commercial hoopla. I will think more > > > about this. > > > > On Nov 11, 2:45 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> You are right rigsy - but we have to get somewhere beyond. What is it > > >> in our arguments, sentiments and the rest that hold us back? And may > > >> be very wrong? > > > >> Allan is right we could vote better with our wallets. We could, for > > >> instance, all bank with mutuals and have more local economies > > >> (Andrew). Problems are as Andrew says when the wallet is empty and > > >> also that we already have 'one dollar one vote'. > > > >> I doubt the academic-legal-commercial argument as argument at all. We > > >> have a paedophile scandal in the UK - but even the media reporting it > > >> has forgotten it reported such a generation ago (the key documentaries > > >> were called 'Cathy Come Home'.and 'Johnny Go Home') and misses the > > >> point that they key point is what evidence we can believe when false > > >> accusations are so easy to make and make life very difficult for real > > >> victims. Our public inquiry systems are proving increasingly > > >> untrustworthy. When one teaches critical reasoning it quickly becomes > > >> clear most people are no good at it. I'm quite sure our mainstream > > >> media has almost no clue and that many lawyers, judges and politicians > > >> would fail standard tests. But surely the route here cannot be to > > >> elite groups of philosopher kings - but should be towards properly > > >> available facts - leaving us with problems about who controls that > > >> production. 'The rich', whoever they are, already do this. > > > >> On 11 Nov, 11:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Matriarchies are what started the problems and from history they tend > > >> > to love war.. > > >> > they are not a solution.. > > >> > Allan > > > >> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > I think that matriarchies are back in style- in all races and > > >> > > nations- > > >> > > and think it will be just as suffocating as the patriarchy. > > > >> > > On Nov 11, 1:39 am, andrew vecsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> Voting with your wallet could be an effective way to change things > > >> > >> and put > > >> > >> the wealthy exploiters out of business. Buying cheap products is > > >> > >> more > > >> > >> expensive in the long term anyways. Buying food from local markets > > >> > >> is also > > >> > >> healthier. As long as we all play the game, the game will keep > > >> > >> playing > > >> > >> until every business becomes a monopoly and globalization will take > > >> > >> over > > >> > >> our wallets. Once our wallets are gone, we are really screwed and > > >> > >> will have > > >> > >> no other choice than to play robin hood. So much for free markets. > > > >> > >> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:41:52 AM UTC+1, archytas wrote: > > > >> > >> > We lack simple explanation that isn't crass Allan. I have little > > >> > >> > doubt the rich have stolen the wealth they have and it should be > > >> > >> > taken > > >> > >> > from them - but how do we do this without it ending up with big > > >> > >> > government that doesn't work any better? I think we are tranced > > >> > >> > by a > > >> > >> > work ethic that really makes no sense. We need facts on just how > > >> > >> > much > > >> > >> > work needs to be done and how we might organise that. Simples! > > >> > >> > Yet > > >> > >> > no answer because we don't understand the 'trancing'. > > > >> > >> > On 10 Nov, 07:15, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > From what I see is the answer lies in manufacturing. And crazy > > >> > >> > > things > > >> > >> > like > > >> > >> > > 50% less sales tax on products that are produced in the country > > >> > >> > > origin, > > >> > >> > > that includes good thru all industrial products. > > > >> > >> > > Better tax collection on all international corporations and > > >> > >> > > stock or > > >> > >> > money > > >> > >> > > sent out of the country. > > > >> > >> > > In the US all corporation papers say they agree to abide by all > > >> > >> > > the laws > > >> > >> > > and if they don't they lose all corporate rights and > > >> > >> > > privileges. This > > >> > >> > > needs to be enforced and you will see major changes in > > >> > >> > > business. You > > >> > >> > have > > >> > >> > > to remember tax evasion is against the law. > > >> > >> > > Allan > > > >> > >> > > Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly > > >> > >> > > On Nov 10, 2012 2:04 AM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > The weird thing is that we are being told all sorts of stuff > > >> > >> > > > can't be > > >> > >> > > > 'afforded' - yet productivity is up by factors of ten since > > >> > >> > > > we did > > >> > >> > > > decent things like national health services - we should be > > >> > >> > > > able to > > >> > >> > > > afford loads more. In the UK we were told the answer was US > > >> > >> > > > management, then Japanese - German stuff had too much > > >> > >> > > > industrial > > >> > >> > > > democracy for our business ethos. Even the IMF has realised > > >> > >> > > > austerity > > >> > >> > > > is a crock. We're in the grips of something else. Debt is > > >> > >> > > > the > > >> > >> > > > obvious answer -but we have to address our attitudes towards > > >> > >> > > > it. Its > > >> > >> > > > owned by robber barons and all link between work and reward > > >> > >> > > > has really > > >> > >> > > > gone. > > > >> > >> > > > On 9 Nov, 21:59, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > > > I totally agree with you management is based on rot..but > > >> > >> > > > > from what I > > >> > >> > > > > have been reading it is the same problem from eons ago,, > > >> > >> > > > > unchanged > > >> > >> > > > > what does it take to get management that is interested in > > >> > >> > > > > the > > >> > >> > > > > betterment of society .. the ideas sit with in beliefs > > >> > >> > > > > which puts > > >> > >> > > > > part of the burdens on religions ,, then the problems comes > > >> > >> > > > > how does > > >> > >> > > > > one get beliefs to work for the betterment of mankind in > > >> > >> > > > > this world. > > >> > >> > > > > Allan > > > >> > >> > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, archytas > > >> > >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > > > > Get your head back on Al - I know about the Japanese war > > >> > >> > > > > > crimes. > > >> > >> > The > > >> > >> > > > > > book I was referring to was written by a Japanese clown. > > >> > >> > > > > > The > > >> > >> > point is > > >> > >> > > > > > that management miracles are based on rot.. > > > >> > >> > > > > > On 9 Nov, 19:07, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> > > > > >> Neil I had two uncles in ww II One in the European > > >> > >> > > > > >> theater the > > >> > >> > other > > >> > >> > > > > >> was in pacific theater and was captured even before the > > >> > >> > > > > >> war > > >> > >> > started in > > >> > >> > > > > >> my memory is right he survived 2 death ship and four > > >> > >> > > > > >> death > > >> > >> > marches > > >> > >> > > > > >> that is talking five years of imprisonment into account > > >> > >> > > > > >> loss of > > >> > >> > close > > >> > >> > > > > >> to 70 kilos.. you need to get your facts straight as to > > >> > >> > strategies of > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --
