Motive might be considered as something a bit like ongoing brainwashing in the production of docile bodies - and a consequence is we rate subjectivism and the individual too strongly.
On 31 Jan, 19:13, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > It's in the work of Michel Foucault and others. In essence I suppose > its the creation of docile bodies and govern-mentality through > propaganda and ADMASS culture - so people think voting occasionally in > elections with no real choice is important. One of the books was > called 'Governing The Soul' (Nikolas Rose). > > On 6 Jan, 10:23, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Neil , what is ' docile body production ? Would you care to elaborate ? > > >in election > > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If what you are saying Pol wasn't true there would be no advertising. > > > What might be more important than free will questions are those on > > > resisting govern-mentality and docile body production. I am more > > > interested in how we might stop mass manipulation in order more might > > > be free in action. > > > > The correct salute, if I was too patronising Allan is two-fingered. > > > > On 3 Jan, 18:14, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Does it matter if we are free..or if we are not... philosophically i > > >> mean... i think its significant the level of importance we are willing to > > >> allow to the unconscious affecting the conscious... things affect people > > >> differently... so isnt it kinda predetermined..the effect some > > >> externality > > >> will have on someone... like saying i wish i was like so and so... then > > >> you > > >> wouldn't be you..you would be that person... theres no point made here > > >> cos > > >> im just thinking out loud..in text.. ;) ... > > > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, andrew vecsey > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> > If it was all so simple, my attempts to simplify everything would not > > >> > be > > >> > so much fun. Man is a very complex being made up of both conscious and > > >> > unconscious aspects that give him both freedoms and limitations. That > > >> > is > > >> > the reason we should try to avoid judging other people. Our unconscious > > >> > intuitions come from external sources, but we are free to listen and > > >> > obey > > >> > them and free to refuse to believe them. Our freedom lies in choosing > > >> > the > > >> > many choices we are continuously confronted with. And we decide using > > >> > our > > >> > free will - our desire. You can`t always get what you want, but in the > > >> > end > > >> > you will always get what you need. Psychologists are scientists and > > >> > what > > >> > scientists say should be taken with a grain of salt. Like all of us, > > >> > they > > >> > are free to beleive anything they want to believe. And like all of us, > > >> > they > > >> > are free to change their mind when ever they want to. > > > >> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:31:28 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > > > >> >> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real > > >> >> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the > > >> >> unconscious and > > >> >> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is > > >> >> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong > > >> >> instinctive sex > > >> >> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them. > > >> >> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for > > >> >> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious > > >> >> motives > > >> >> ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even > > >> >> aware > > >> >> even though they are the real determinants of our actions. > > >> >> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously > > >> >> we > > >> >> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand > > >> >> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by > > >> >> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If > > >> >> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our > > >> >> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. > > >> >> So , > > >> >> the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air ! > > > >> > -- > > > >> -- > > >> EverComing > > > > -- -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
