If what you are saying Pol wasn't true there would be no advertising. What might be more important than free will questions are those on resisting govern-mentality and docile body production. I am more interested in how we might stop mass manipulation in order more might be free in action.
The correct salute, if I was too patronising Allan is two-fingered. On 3 Jan, 18:14, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > Does it matter if we are free..or if we are not... philosophically i > mean... i think its significant the level of importance we are willing to > allow to the unconscious affecting the conscious... things affect people > differently... so isnt it kinda predetermined..the effect some externality > will have on someone... like saying i wish i was like so and so... then you > wouldn't be you..you would be that person... theres no point made here cos > im just thinking out loud..in text.. ;) ... > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If it was all so simple, my attempts to simplify everything would not be > > so much fun. Man is a very complex being made up of both conscious and > > unconscious aspects that give him both freedoms and limitations. That is > > the reason we should try to avoid judging other people. Our unconscious > > intuitions come from external sources, but we are free to listen and obey > > them and free to refuse to believe them. Our freedom lies in choosing the > > many choices we are continuously confronted with. And we decide using our > > free will - our desire. You can`t always get what you want, but in the end > > you will always get what you need. Psychologists are scientists and what > > scientists say should be taken with a grain of salt. Like all of us, they > > are free to beleive anything they want to believe. And like all of us, they > > are free to change their mind when ever they want to. > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:31:28 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: > > >> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real > >> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and > >> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is > >> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive sex > >> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them. > >> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for > >> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives > >> ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware > >> even though they are the real determinants of our actions. > >> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we > >> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand > >> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by > >> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If > >> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our > >> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So , > >> the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air ! > > > -- > > -- > EverComing --
