Neil , what is ' docile body production ? Would you care to elaborate ? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > If what you are saying Pol wasn't true there would be no advertising. > What might be more important than free will questions are those on > resisting govern-mentality and docile body production. I am more > interested in how we might stop mass manipulation in order more might > be free in action. > > The correct salute, if I was too patronising Allan is two-fingered. > > On 3 Jan, 18:14, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Does it matter if we are free..or if we are not... philosophically i >> mean... i think its significant the level of importance we are willing to >> allow to the unconscious affecting the conscious... things affect people >> differently... so isnt it kinda predetermined..the effect some externality >> will have on someone... like saying i wish i was like so and so... then you >> wouldn't be you..you would be that person... theres no point made here cos >> im just thinking out loud..in text.. ;) ... >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, andrew vecsey <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If it was all so simple, my attempts to simplify everything would not be >> > so much fun. Man is a very complex being made up of both conscious and >> > unconscious aspects that give him both freedoms and limitations. That is >> > the reason we should try to avoid judging other people. Our unconscious >> > intuitions come from external sources, but we are free to listen and obey >> > them and free to refuse to believe them. Our freedom lies in choosing the >> > many choices we are continuously confronted with. And we decide using our >> > free will - our desire. You can`t always get what you want, but in the end >> > you will always get what you need. Psychologists are scientists and what >> > scientists say should be taken with a grain of salt. Like all of us, they >> > are free to beleive anything they want to believe. And like all of us, they >> > are free to change their mind when ever they want to. >> >> > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:31:28 PM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >> Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real >> >> determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the unconscious and >> >> one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness is >> >> ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong instinctive >> >> sex >> >> drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them. >> >> The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others for >> >> our behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious motives >> >> ? Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even aware >> >> even though they are the real determinants of our actions. >> >> The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously we >> >> are free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand >> >> freely. So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by >> >> unconscious determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If >> >> unconsciously we are selfish and consciously generous , it is our >> >> generosity for which we can be judged and not the unconscious motive. So , >> >> the phantom of Bondage evaporates into thin air ! >> >> > -- >> >> -- >> EverComing > > -- > > >
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