Then I stand corrected but still don't agree Allan On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The law takes the non-conscious into account in that you can intend or > be reckless in committing crime RP. English Law now has it that one > can form the necessary mens rea in getting drunk before you commit a > crime, even if you had no intent to commit it before drinking > alcohol. I think you may be confusing what conscious and unconscious > are. Gabby's right Allan and RP is a thoughtful contributor whether > right or wrong. > > On 3 Jan, 15:33, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> Oddly Gabby the answer is yes to your question.. I really don't care >> what people believe.. but I get tired of some weird statement that >> always leads back to the same point,, >> >> One time I actually watched get off his point and look within himself >> only to get totally freaked out .. >> >> Now Gabby I like looking at new ideas with the twist and turns.. >> believe me it will not change my core values.. but provides good for >> thought. and see what doors open up.. when you sit down and look at a >> statement that is totally meant to get you back to the same point.. >> don't buy that point.. Andrew comes up with some strange ideas and >> when they are written out quite interesting,, >> >> Gabby I threw out the idea of a zombie.. not really much response to >> take on a weird and strange idea.. turned out that it is not original >> which I thick is funny as all get out. I thought the idea is to grow >> and expand ones thinking not be ship wrecked on a solitary idea.. >> Allan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Guess what, Allan, me too! That doesn't stop me from noticing interferences >> > from other categorical imperatives though. Your Master Jesus, for example, >> > do you think he would have treated RP the way you treat him? I don't think >> > so. RP has done you or anyone else here no harm, he is simply presenting >> > his >> > output to us. It's an offer to pick up on anything he says and he will >> > politely continue to provide you with the next output products. Thanks, RP! >> > Good to have you on board too. >> >> > 2013/1/3 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> >> I can read english gabby and I do understand it.. >> >> Allan >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:52 AM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Please, Allan. YOU are replying in accordance with what YOU understand >> >> > that >> >> > RP says. The result of long and many years of 'What do YOU think?' >> >> > trainings. Motives are generated by unconscious and conscious factors, >> >> > along >> >> > the scales of gratification and avoidance of suffering - for ourselves >> >> > and >> >> > our environment. >> >> >> > 2013/1/2 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or >> >> >> latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god >> >> >> in which you believe.. >> >> >> >> Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have >> >> >> permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission >> >> >> and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think >> >> >> you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not >> >> >> have to do that .. you can believe as you want.. >> >> >> >> Oh well discussions with you go no where,, >> >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real >> >> >> > determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the >> >> >> > unconscious >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong >> >> >> > instinctive >> >> >> > sex >> >> >> > drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them. >> >> >> > The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > our >> >> >> > behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious >> >> >> > motives ? >> >> >> > Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even >> >> >> > aware >> >> >> > even >> >> >> > though they are the real determinants of our actions. >> >> >> > The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand >> >> >> > freely. >> >> >> > So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by >> >> >> > unconscious >> >> >> > determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we >> >> >> > can >> >> >> > be >> >> >> > judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage >> >> >> > evaporates into thin air ! >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ( >> >> >> ) >> >> >> |_D Allan >> >> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> >> >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> > 2013/1/2 Allan H <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> According to what you have said in the past you have no freedom or >> >> >> latitude at all in you activities it is all dictated to you by the god >> >> >> in which you believe.. >> >> >> >> Just what are you looking for?? some one to say that you have >> >> >> permission to believe some thing else.. then you have my permission >> >> >> and blessing.. but I do not think that is what you want,, I think >> >> >> you are simply trying to justify your beliefs.. for me you do not >> >> >> have to do that .. you can believe as you want.. >> >> >> >> Oh well discussions with you go no where,, >> >> >> Allan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Psychologists say that a person's conscious motives are not the real >> >> >> > determinants of behavior but one's real motives lie in the >> >> >> > unconscious >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > one is not aware of them. A person who is obsessed with cleanliness >> >> >> > is >> >> >> > ostensibly a very clean person but in reality he has strong >> >> >> > instinctive >> >> >> > sex >> >> >> > drive which get repressed as he cannot accept them. >> >> >> > The question is that are we to judge ourselves or judged by others >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > our >> >> >> > behavior by the conscious motives or the repressed unconscious >> >> >> > motives ? >> >> >> > Clearly we cannot be judged for factors of which we are not even >> >> >> > aware >> >> >> > even >> >> >> > though they are the real determinants of our actions. >> >> >> > The question now arises of our will , is our will free ? Consciously >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > free , we think and act as we want , we can open or close our hand >> >> >> > freely. >> >> >> > So , we have freedom of choice , and if our will is bound by >> >> >> > unconscious >> >> >> > determinants we cannot be held accountable for them. If unconsciously >> >> >> > we >> >> >> > are >> >> >> > selfish and consciously generous , it is our generosity for which we >> >> >> > can >> >> >> > be >> >> >> > judged and not the unconscious motive. So , the phantom of Bondage >> >> >> > evaporates into thin air ! >> >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ( >> >> >> ) >> >> >> |_D Allan >> >> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> >> >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> -- >> >> ( >> >> ) >> >> |_D Allan >> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. >> >> >> -- >> >> > -- >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> |_D Allan >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. >> >> Of course I talk to myself, >> Sometimes I need expert advice.. > > -- > > >
-- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. Of course I talk to myself, Sometimes I need expert advice.. --
