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On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:30:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > Maybe, in some ways, we must suffer madness to retain sanity? From nearly > 100 years ago. > > Desiderata > Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be > in silence. > As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. > Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull > and ignorant; they too have their story. > Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. > If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; > for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. > > Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. > Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in > the changing fortunes of time. > Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of > trickery. > But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive > for high ideals; > and everywhere life is full of heroism. > > Be yourself. > Especially, do not feign affection. > Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and > disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. > > Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things > of youth. > Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not > distress yourself with imaginings. > Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome > discipline, be gentle with yourself. > > You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; > you have a right to be here. > And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding > as it should. > > Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, > and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life > keep peace with your soul. > With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful > world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. > > © Max Ehrmann 1927 > On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:03:14 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> I'm not sure what a real valid person isn't Allan. I miss the >> entertainment. The science was Kaliber Yawn, but then I'm a 'cold dark' >> man on physics and anti-traditionalist on god. I hope you and I would not >> sit about pondering naked gymnastics for the young and virtue ethics like >> participants in The Republic, whilst telling slaves to fetch another glass >> of wine or herbal tea or a 'flute girl'. We managed to ban Chazwin, a fine >> chap suffering from cancer at the time. Manners and politesse can be very >> nasty. >> >> On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:14:21 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> As friend outside ME I enjoyed his private messages and liked him. He >>> was a real valid person. Miss his input. >>> >>> Allan >>> A Living Soul >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 7:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>> >>> Just about my view Gabby, to be honest. What would we be saying if we >>> had known Paul Gauguin - see >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/8011066/Is-it-wrong-to-admire-Paul-Gauguins-art.html >>> >>> - not that I connect any such lifehistory with Pat. >>> >>> On Monday, 29 September 2014 22:15:16 UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with your analysis, RP. I share Pat's love for patterns and >>>> have experienced some of the side effects also. There are times and >>>> situations when this shown behaviour is normal. So these behavioural >>>> patterns don't really scare me. What got me really upset was the role of >>>> "publisher", a windy bubble creationist. The website was so crap, I >>>> understood I would not send one penny to this dubious enterprise and that >>>> they would not do anything to promote the book. I hope Pat has got more in >>>> sync with real people again. >>>> >>>> Am Montag, 29. September 2014 02:47:55 UTC+2 schrieb RP Singh: >>>>> >>>>> I have not diagnosed someone's character , rather I have presented my >>>>> estimate about his behaviour pattern. It is not a judgement but an >>>>> analysis >>>>> of abnormal behaviour. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We are here to discuss ideas, RP, not the members characters. Attack >>>>>> on a members character, even if your opinion is in the form of a >>>>>> diagnosis, >>>>>> is clearly outlawed in the guidelines. Pat shared many interesting >>>>>> ideas >>>>>> in this group, and was appreciated by many of us. Where I come from, we >>>>>> call an attack on someones character who is not present backstabbing, >>>>>> and >>>>>> is, by any measure, as Mando points out, a breach of trust. Whether >>>>>> currently participating or not, we are not here to comment on people's >>>>>> character. If you have any comments on string theory, or any other >>>>>> facet >>>>>> of Pat's book, I suggest you move on to discussing his ideas and away >>>>>> from >>>>>> diagnosing his or anyone else's character. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:22:49 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have diagnosed an abnormal behaviour and do not attempt to make >>>>>>> personality assessments of normal people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Richard Blay <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So RP, Mr. psychologist, what are you going to write about Gabby if >>>>>>>> she goes out of communication based on her postings? ;) >>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 10:45 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I reject your opinion and find it uninformed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:56:02 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pat was a classical case of paranoid schizophrenia as revealed >>>>>>>>>> through his posts. In mental disorders , unlike physiological >>>>>>>>>> problems it >>>>>>>>>> is not absolutely necessary that you personally talk to the affected >>>>>>>>>> person. His disease can be definitely gleaned from his thoughts if >>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>> clear enough , which in Pats case were quite transparent. As for the >>>>>>>>>> sub-types of schizophrenia , paranoid schizophrenia is quite unique >>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> it involves paranoid thinking as well. No disrespect is intended >>>>>>>>>> towards >>>>>>>>>> Pat , a disease is a disease whether it is physical or mental. >>>>>>>>>> Besides , >>>>>>>>>> for years I knew about Pat's ailment but never voiced it out of >>>>>>>>>> consideration for his feelings , but now that for years he has gone >>>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>>> communication I thought there was no harm in sharing my thoughts >>>>>>>>>> with you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> He was a very bright guy who offered is knowledge and ideas >>>>>>>>>>> honestly, and, as you say Allan, without judgement and always with >>>>>>>>>>> respect. I will spare you my opinion of a psychologist who, >>>>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>>>> knowing someone personally and having never seen them >>>>>>>>>>> professionally, would >>>>>>>>>>> publicly declare a diagnosis of a person based on Internet group >>>>>>>>>>> posts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:37:17 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy also, lol. Took me a while to get it even though >>>>>>>>>>>> I paid for it as soon as I found out it was being published. I >>>>>>>>>>>> have read it >>>>>>>>>>>> . His book has given me a lot to think about. >>>>>>>>>>>> Most of all Pat was friend, and a legitimate contributing >>>>>>>>>>>> member of this group. He was here when I arrived accepting me as I >>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>> without judgment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which leaves you RP >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I did buy a copy. Whatever my opinion of the book, I would >>>>>>>>>>>> never deem it a failure. IMHO, that is up to the author, taking >>>>>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>>> account his own goals and objectives for the book and its first >>>>>>>>>>>> publication. If #books sold is anyone's criterion, they will need >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> reference the facts. I know that Pat worked for several years on >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> book. Publicly declaring it a failure seems, to me, >>>>>>>>>>>> extraordinarily harsh, >>>>>>>>>>>> especially if unsubstantiated. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:57:52 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you buy a copy? I did. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat had very high expectations. He believed that his 'BOOK' >>>>>>>>>>>>> would sell in millions and bring about a paradigm shift. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> failure of his >>>>>>>>>>>>> book might have been heartbreaking for him and he might just not >>>>>>>>>>>>> be in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mood to communicate with us. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly no idea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 28 September 2014 02:33:28 UTC+1, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of him too, tried contacting his publisher no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:05 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find him anywhere. I also think of him from time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:45:33 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard from him he has totally disappeared off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radar.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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