(",)
Allan
Living Soul
-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat
<https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D8HGxv7UeOM/VCsUMlFID5I/AAAAAAAAABk/JMVQKQl73bw/s1600/Sam%2BI%2Bam.jpg>
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:30:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>
> Maybe, in some ways, we must suffer madness to retain sanity? From nearly
> 100 years ago.
>
> Desiderata
> Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
> in silence.
> As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
> Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull
> and ignorant; they too have their story.
> Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
> If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
> for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
>
> Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
> Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in
> the changing fortunes of time.
> Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of
> trickery.
> But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive
> for high ideals;
> and everywhere life is full of heroism.
>
> Be yourself.
> Especially, do not feign affection.
> Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and
> disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
>
> Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things
> of youth.
> Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not
> distress yourself with imaginings.
> Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome
> discipline, be gentle with yourself.
>
> You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
> you have a right to be here.
> And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
> as it should.
>
> Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
> and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life
> keep peace with your soul.
> With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful
> world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.
>
> © Max Ehrmann 1927
> On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:03:14 UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what a real valid person isn't Allan. I miss the
>> entertainment. The science was Kaliber Yawn, but then I'm a 'cold dark'
>> man on physics and anti-traditionalist on god. I hope you and I would not
>> sit about pondering naked gymnastics for the young and virtue ethics like
>> participants in The Republic, whilst telling slaves to fetch another glass
>> of wine or herbal tea or a 'flute girl'. We managed to ban Chazwin, a fine
>> chap suffering from cancer at the time. Manners and politesse can be very
>> nasty.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:14:21 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>
>>> As friend outside ME I enjoyed his private messages and liked him. He
>>> was a real valid person. Miss his input.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>> A Living Soul
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 7:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat
>>>
>>> Just about my view Gabby, to be honest. What would we be saying if we
>>> had known Paul Gauguin - see
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/8011066/Is-it-wrong-to-admire-Paul-Gauguins-art.html
>>>
>>> - not that I connect any such lifehistory with Pat.
>>>
>>> On Monday, 29 September 2014 22:15:16 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with your analysis, RP. I share Pat's love for patterns and
>>>> have experienced some of the side effects also. There are times and
>>>> situations when this shown behaviour is normal. So these behavioural
>>>> patterns don't really scare me. What got me really upset was the role of
>>>> "publisher", a windy bubble creationist. The website was so crap, I
>>>> understood I would not send one penny to this dubious enterprise and that
>>>> they would not do anything to promote the book. I hope Pat has got more in
>>>> sync with real people again.
>>>>
>>>> Am Montag, 29. September 2014 02:47:55 UTC+2 schrieb RP Singh:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not diagnosed someone's character , rather I have presented my
>>>>> estimate about his behaviour pattern. It is not a judgement but an
>>>>> analysis
>>>>> of abnormal behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We are here to discuss ideas, RP, not the members characters. Attack
>>>>>> on a members character, even if your opinion is in the form of a
>>>>>> diagnosis,
>>>>>> is clearly outlawed in the guidelines. Pat shared many interesting
>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>> in this group, and was appreciated by many of us. Where I come from, we
>>>>>> call an attack on someones character who is not present backstabbing,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> is, by any measure, as Mando points out, a breach of trust. Whether
>>>>>> currently participating or not, we are not here to comment on people's
>>>>>> character. If you have any comments on string theory, or any other
>>>>>> facet
>>>>>> of Pat's book, I suggest you move on to discussing his ideas and away
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> diagnosing his or anyone else's character.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:22:49 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have diagnosed an abnormal behaviour and do not attempt to make
>>>>>>> personality assessments of normal people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Richard Blay <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So RP, Mr. psychologist, what are you going to write about Gabby if
>>>>>>>> she goes out of communication based on her postings? ;)
>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 10:45 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I reject your opinion and find it uninformed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:56:02 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pat was a classical case of paranoid schizophrenia as revealed
>>>>>>>>>> through his posts. In mental disorders , unlike physiological
>>>>>>>>>> problems it
>>>>>>>>>> is not absolutely necessary that you personally talk to the affected
>>>>>>>>>> person. His disease can be definitely gleaned from his thoughts if
>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>> clear enough , which in Pats case were quite transparent. As for the
>>>>>>>>>> sub-types of schizophrenia , paranoid schizophrenia is quite unique
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> it involves paranoid thinking as well. No disrespect is intended
>>>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>>>> Pat , a disease is a disease whether it is physical or mental.
>>>>>>>>>> Besides ,
>>>>>>>>>> for years I knew about Pat's ailment but never voiced it out of
>>>>>>>>>> consideration for his feelings , but now that for years he has gone
>>>>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>>>>> communication I thought there was no harm in sharing my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>> with you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He was a very bright guy who offered is knowledge and ideas
>>>>>>>>>>> honestly, and, as you say Allan, without judgement and always with
>>>>>>>>>>> respect. I will spare you my opinion of a psychologist who,
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> knowing someone personally and having never seen them
>>>>>>>>>>> professionally, would
>>>>>>>>>>> publicly declare a diagnosis of a person based on Internet group
>>>>>>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:37:17 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy also, lol. Took me a while to get it even though
>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid for it as soon as I found out it was being published. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have read it
>>>>>>>>>>>> . His book has given me a lot to think about.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of all Pat was friend, and a legitimate contributing
>>>>>>>>>>>> member of this group. He was here when I arrived accepting me as I
>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>> without judgment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which leaves you RP
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 9:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did buy a copy. Whatever my opinion of the book, I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> never deem it a failure. IMHO, that is up to the author, taking
>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> account his own goals and objectives for the book and its first
>>>>>>>>>>>> publication. If #books sold is anyone's criterion, they will need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> reference the facts. I know that Pat worked for several years on
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> book. Publicly declaring it a failure seems, to me,
>>>>>>>>>>>> extraordinarily harsh,
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if unsubstantiated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:57:52 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you buy a copy? I did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat had very high expectations. He believed that his 'BOOK'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would sell in millions and bring about a paradigm shift. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> book might have been heartbreaking for him and he might just not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mood to communicate with us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM, archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly no idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 28 September 2014 02:33:28 UTC+1, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of him too, tried contacting his publisher no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Pat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find him anywhere. I also think of him from time to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:45:33 PM UTC-4, Allan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard from him he has totally disappeared off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radar..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the
>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from
>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
>>>>>> send an email to [email protected].
>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>> an email to [email protected].
>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>
>>
--
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
""Minds Eye"" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
