There has been a lot said, I like science as I was raised within a university environment, also on a dairy farm being the youngest boy, I was stuck milking, my older brothers always had school projects that required their personal attention. A strange world in which to live. It formed a different prospective to living life. Lived in one school district, went to school in another. I learned solitude as a way of life...
A lot goes into forming life, beliefs and reality. One think I learned was you can theorize any idea, at the same time bullshit walks, you form your theories to fit science, not manipulate science fit your theories of distorted reality. I appreciate spirituality because of what I have experienced. At same time there is no separation between science and mysticism. What I do see is people (including myself) presenting ideas to show their point of view. Enlightenment takes many forms from well developed insights coming well developed educational learning and research. Mysticism can also evolve from a well developed educational program. Francis was an excellent example, his knowledge and understanding brought about wisdom that left me drooling. I read the original paper from the Indian mystic and summation others what I read is drug induced babble of little or no spiritual value at least to me anyway, as people can believe as they chose, every soul has free will with the simple guideline of ' do no harm ' which each soul is free to interpret. To me sound mysticism does not need justification. Personally I disapprove of drug use in mysticism as it created automatically an element of distortion. At the same time it doesn't negate the spiritual experience. From my own personal experiences I know God is very real and God is reality. Beyond that it is best guess, rooting around for a deeper personal experience of the reality that God. Allan A Living Soul -----Original Message----- From: Molly <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat You have touched on that "pure science" and where it meets "pure faith" (most of the mystical traditions get there) is, I think, where Pat leads us. On Friday, October 10, 2014 7:52:01 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: > > I'm often struck that science versus religion is a diversion. There is > bad science, there is bad religion. Some 'religion' (economics) pretends > to be science. Some dreadful power gamers pretend to be religious. > > On Friday, 10 October 2014 12:44:14 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> Perhaps not Molly - science is much less certain and precise than the >> image projected. Deep in, even choosing the maths we use in theorising, >> relies on approximation. The manifestation view of particles is very much >> understood - wave or particle paradox or deeper in whether the photon and >> electron are the same particle viewed in different context, our world the >> history of an electron and so on. Paradox is often raised as thought >> experiment, and is all we are left with in, say, reducing maths to logic. >> >> >> >> On Friday, 10 October 2014 12:24:50 UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>> >>> There are many leaps to make to get to where Pat was going. The very >>> notion of science leaving behind cause and effect leaves most people out in >>> the cold. Unless a non dual viewpoint is experienced, it cannot be grasped, >>> but once experienced, both non dual and duality can be understood as one. >>> The paradox becomes the crux. An unwieldy notion for science. >>> >>> On Friday, October 10, 2014 7:05:38 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Science itself can be rather trapped in creation myths. Big Bang is >>>> not necessarily a beginning, and nor is that point in our evolution when >>>> we >>>> were 'something primordial' like a quasi-amoeba. Entanglement may not be >>>> something like, say, Molly and I sharing the same air over time - it is a >>>> very special creation in laboratory experiments. The language used gets >>>> lost in translation from micro to macro. >>>> >>>> On Friday, 10 October 2014 09:13:15 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Interesting book Molly. Going back to 1923 one can find A N >>>>> Whitehead's 'Science and the Modern World' and the process philosophy of >>>>> misplaced concreteness and the unwarranted bifurcation of reality. These >>>>> are old arguments, though non-the-worse for that. Science, of course, is >>>>> unlikely to accept argument based on 'a golden salamander told me' - >>>>> especially when we can't look in the hat ourselves. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 9 October 2014 20:49:07 UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I found a free book online that tackles some of the stuff of Pat's >>>>>> book, the biggest stuff, the merging of physics and mysticism. While >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> felt no need to reference popular publications and had more of an >>>>>> affinity >>>>>> to the bible and Koran, I can appreciate how many of the points made in >>>>>> his >>>>>> book are made here also. Thanks Pat, wherever you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://cloud2.snappages.com/ed35bc002396c05b8c40ef89a4002f59cb2c27f0/Science-of-the-Sages-20141011-Free-eBook-Edition.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:27:27 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I keep Hop on Pop; Cat in the Hat; & Green Eggs and Ham on my phone, >>>>>>> great for when read too. Ah the hidden escape hatches. >>>>>>> So I'm a child in heart.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 1:15 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like saying yes, when the answer is no. But by the time anyone else >>>>>>> finds out the answer is no, no action can correct. yes to everyone and >>>>>>> everything. Goodbye to the innocence of Green Eggs and Ham. Science >>>>>>> rules >>>>>>> the day. We can say what we want, it is meaningless (or is it?). By the >>>>>>> time you know what you are looking at, if you ever do, your innocence >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be gone with the moment. All you can do is move on to the next Dr. >>>>>>> Seuss >>>>>>> book, if you still have the heart. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (",) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:36 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D8HGxv7UeOM/VCsUMlFID5I/AAAAAAAAABk/JMVQKQl73bw/s1600/Sam%2BI%2Bam.jpg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:30:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, in some ways, we must suffer madness to retain sanity? >>>>>>>>> From nearly 100 years ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desiderata >>>>>>>>> Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace >>>>>>>>> there may be in silence. >>>>>>>>> As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all >>>>>>>>> persons. >>>>>>>>> Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even >>>>>>>>> the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. >>>>>>>>> Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the >>>>>>>>> spirit. >>>>>>>>> If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and >>>>>>>>> bitter; >>>>>>>>> for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. >>>>>>>>> Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real >>>>>>>>> possession in the changing fortunes of time. >>>>>>>>> Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full >>>>>>>>> of trickery. >>>>>>>>> But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons >>>>>>>>> strive for high ideals; >>>>>>>>> and everywhere life is full of heroism. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Be yourself. >>>>>>>>> Especially, do not feign affection. >>>>>>>>> Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and >>>>>>>>> disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the >>>>>>>>> things of youth. >>>>>>>>> Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But >>>>>>>>> do not distress yourself with imaginings. >>>>>>>>> Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome >>>>>>>>> discipline, be gentle with yourself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the >>>>>>>>> stars; >>>>>>>>> you have a right to be here. >>>>>>>>> And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is >>>>>>>>> unfolding as it should. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, >>>>>>>>> and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion >>>>>>>>> of life keep peace with your soul. >>>>>>>>> With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a >>>>>>>>> beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> © Max Ehrmann 1927 >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:03:14 UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what a real valid person isn't Allan. I miss the >>>>>>>>>> entertainment. The science was Kaliber Yawn, but then I'm a 'cold >>>>>>>>>> dark' >>>>>>>>>> man on physics and anti-traditionalist on god. I hope you and I >>>>>>>>>> would not >>>>>>>>>> sit about pondering naked gymnastics for the young and virtue ethics >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> participants in The Republic, whilst telling slaves to fetch another >>>>>>>>>> glass >>>>>>>>>> of wine or herbal tea or a 'flute girl'. We managed to ban Chazwin, >>>>>>>>>> a fine >>>>>>>>>> chap suffering from cancer at the time. Manners and politesse can >>>>>>>>>> be very >>>>>>>>>> nasty. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:14:21 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As friend outside ME I enjoyed his private messages and liked >>>>>>>>>>> him. He was a real valid person. Miss his input. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>> A Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 7:51 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just about my view Gabby, to be honest. What would we be saying >>>>>>>>>>> if we had known Paul Gauguin - see >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/8011066/Is-it-wrong-to-admire-Paul-Gauguins-art.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - not that I connect any such lifehistory with Pat. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 29 September 2014 22:15:16 UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with your analysis, RP. I share Pat's love for patterns >>>>>>>>>>>> and have experienced some of the side effects also. There are >>>>>>>>>>>> times and >>>>>>>>>>>> situations when this shown behaviour is normal. So these >>>>>>>>>>>> behavioural >>>>>>>>>>>> patterns don't really scare me. What got me really upset was the >>>>>>>>>>>> role of >>>>>>>>>>>> "publisher", a windy bubble creationist. The website was so crap, >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> understood I would not send one penny to this dubious enterprise >>>>>>>>>>>> and that >>>>>>>>>>>> they would not do anything to promote the book. I hope Pat has got >>>>>>>>>>>> more in >>>>>>>>>>>> sync with real people again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am Montag, 29. September 2014 02:47:55 UTC+2 schrieb RP Singh: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not diagnosed someone's character , rather I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> presented my estimate about his behaviour pattern. It is not a >>>>>>>>>>>>> judgement >>>>>>>>>>>>> but an analysis of abnormal behaviour. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are here to discuss ideas, RP, not the members >>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters. Attack on a members character, even if your opinion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> form of a diagnosis, is clearly outlawed in the guidelines. Pat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shared >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many interesting ideas in this group, and was appreciated by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where I come from, we call an attack on someones character who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> present backstabbing, and is, by any measure, as Mando points >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, a breach >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of trust. Whether currently participating or not, we are not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> comment on people's character. If you have any comments on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> string theory, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or any other facet of Pat's book, I suggest you move on to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas and away from diagnosing his or anyone else's character. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:22:49 PM UTC-4, RP Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have diagnosed an abnormal behaviour and do not attempt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make personality assessments of normal people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Richard Blay < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So RP, Mr. psychologist, what are you going to write about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabby if she goes out of communication based on her postings? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2014 10:45 PM, "Molly" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I reject your opinion and find it uninformed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:56:02 PM UTC-4, RP Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat was a classical case of paranoid schizophrenia as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed through his posts. In mental disorders , unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physiological >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems it is not absolutely necessary that you personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected person. His disease can be definitely gleaned from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his thoughts if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are clear enough , which in Pats case were quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transparent. As for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sub-types of schizophrenia , paranoid schizophrenia is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite unique >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it involves paranoid thinking as well. No disrespect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is intended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards Pat , a disease is a disease whether it is physical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or mental. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides , for years I knew about Pat's ailment but never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voiced it out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consideration for his feelings , but now that for years he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has gone out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication I thought there was no harm in sharing my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Molly <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was a very bright guy who offered is knowledge and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas honestly, and, as you say Allan, without judgement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and always with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect. I will spare you my opinion of a psychologist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who, without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowing someone personally and having never seen them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionally, would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publicly declare a diagnosis of a person based on Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:37:17 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy also, lol. Took me a while to get it even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I paid for it as soon as I found out it was being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read it . His book has given me a lot to think about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of all Pat was friend, and a legitimate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing member of this group. He was here when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrived accepting me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I am without judgment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which leaves you RP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did buy a copy. Whatever my opinion of the book, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never deem it a failure. IMHO, that is up to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> author, taking into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account his own goals and objectives for the book and its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication. If #books sold is anyone's criterion, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference the facts. I know that Pat worked for several >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years on that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book. Publicly declaring it a failure seems, to me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extraordinarily harsh, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if unsubstantiated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:57:52 PM UTC-4, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you buy a copy? I did. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat had very high expectations. He believed that his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'BOOK' would sell in millions and bring about a paradigm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shift. The failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his book might have been heartbreaking for him and he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might just not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the mood to communicate with us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM, archytas < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly no idea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 28 September 2014 02:33:28 UTC+1, Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of him too, tried contacting his publisher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no response. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:05 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Pat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find him anywhere. I also think of him from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:45:33 PM UTC-4, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone heard from him he has totally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappeared off radar.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living Soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+...@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optout. 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