Allan , man is free to do just as he wants to , but God being omnipotent
has to sanction it beforehand , and that is what is predetermined , the
will of God over and above the will of man.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Am still trying to figure out you predestiny theory.  To me it sounds like
> nothing more than someone trying to justify improper activites by blaming
> predestiny instead of taking responsibility.
> You said the samething years ago blaming your beliefs.
>
> Nice to read you here again  maybe some of the other oldtimers will return
> also.
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: History
>
> Very cunning RP - as ever.
>
> On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 6:19:43 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Neil. I just don't seem to elaborate , it is in the course of the
>> discussions that the elaborations come out.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:27 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> This is rather similar to the maths of the other side of big bang RP.
>>> Assuming a big crunch after our expansion, which would lead to another big
>>> bang, what survives from this to the next?  Quantum fluctuation was the
>>> answer in the maths, mind in your suggestion here.  Neil Turok was a name
>>> in the papers I read, but ideas producing no answers seems the name of the
>>> game.  More recently I've seen suggestions big bangs create another
>>> universe with time going 'backwards', known as the 'more than one future'
>>> approach.  Others suggest biggle bang itself is fictional and arises from
>>> religious creationism we haven't managed to extirpate from our thinking -
>>> thus we should be thinking 'closer to home' on the constructors in a new
>>> thermodynamics of what pathways are possible and not.  Examples of these
>>> constructors are factories and catalysts.  Factories may be those familiar
>>> to us or ribosomes.  Catalysts are more complex than the stuff of school
>>> chemistry.
>>>
>>> Slime moulds have been interesting me recently.  These are single-celled
>>> 'brainless' organisms we can only safely describe as neither plant nor
>>> animal.  Yet they form networks as complex are our railway systems.  We
>>> don't really know how they have the intelligence to search for food.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKuFREOgmo
>>>
>>> Great stuff RP - but can you unwind it a bit more?  In another sense,
>>> both of us have been rather biologically deterministic on 'brain producing
>>> mind' in human psychology.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:31:10 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The entire creation is predetermined , it is history.Before the big
>>>> bang the history existed in the form of an idea in the singularity.  With
>>>> the big bang the history started manifesting itself as creation It is
>>>> simply the unmanifest which is manifesting. And hence the evolution of the
>>>> universe is just the mind which is manifesting itself.
>>>>
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