God is unconscious and therefore has steadfastness of purpose and hence no choice , choice is for us conscious beings who have so many choices that we become confused , and ultimately we do that which is previously sanctioned by God. There are so many books some speculative and some scientific , it is easy for a person to make a wrong selection and ruin the remainder of his life..
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:12 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > "where did all the matter that is contained within the total universe come > from. No violating known and mostly some what provable laws. (Starting > point) " > > Thought I was addressing that. "Contained" is problematic if the dark > flow observations are correct. "Seeing beyond infinity" is a non-starter > as one would render finite what had been beyond infinity and have to > re-address infinity. > > Science doesn't know much, but even this is to know more than the > navel-gazing know-all. Though one has to agree RP's "bookish nonsense" - > Bacon's 'Idol of the theatre'. > > Choice of mathematical models in theory building involves approximation at > the start, as do measurement choices. Allan is a skilled man and must > know how approximations can build up to a non-fit. Gunter Ludwig did the > best work on this. > > Photons are associated with electron shifts - but none of these particles > are considered "real" like marbles. We are at various time factors beyond > the nano now. Do speed up old chap. > > RP's god may have no free will itself, yet we still might. Not being > bookish might be a good thing, or just arrogant dismissal of the hard work > of reading - and, of course, RP is expressing a long written down view. > > What happens to the term free will in different conditions of existence > and argument? If you throw dice to make decisions you still made a choice > to throw dice. Electrons and photons may be the same particle manifested > in different conditions (a Molly term - but there are several well-known > papers). > > On another tack, it seems leaders really do become the creeps we suspect > they are due to brain changes. Biology does this, not leader free will. > Forgive me for reading ... > > > On Monday, 19 January 2015 04:12:15 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Matter is subject to the laws of God.. but even those are not totally >> know. The totality of far beyond what i can comprehend. What glimpses i >> have there is no way i can fully understand the totality of God. What it >> really cones down to is what ever satisfies your personal monkeys. . That >> is why there are so many different beliefs out there. >> There is no one answer that fits all. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 1:30 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: History >> >> If the universe were a part of God's being then by logic it would be >> under God's control , and you being a part of the universe would be under >> his control , that is, >> your will would be subject to God's will. >> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:37 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I do not remember mentioning missing matter.. or missing anti-matter. >>> What has to do with RP's valid question. Nothing is missing at all >>> everything is there. . Ever consider that science does not know all the >>> answers? Actually like science spirituality has far more questions than it >>> has answers.. >>> >>> The question was a simple question of how i connected the universe as >>> part of God's being.. that I tried to explain the best I could.. >>> >>> Buzz Lightyear quote.. to infinity and beyond.. it seems your science is >>> not able to see beyond infinity.. nor can it see what happens to an >>> electron in the nanosecond while it changes orbits. Or is it even the same >>> electron. Far more is unknown than what is known... >>> >>> I would have voted to get rid of the queen also.. with the British >>> proceeds of crime act.. all british royalty are flat broke.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 8:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: History >>> >>> Brilliant! Postcards from friends on holiday with unicorns No one puts >>> up with Allan - there is such a thing as masochism - but apart from this I >>> could wear the rest, possibly at a fancy dress party. On the basis of god >>> assertions, rocking horse droppings provide the 'missing matter'. >>> >>> If we put aside the 'putting up with Allan' theory and my own madness on >>> not wanting to be in a universe without his humour, biggy bang is a zero >>> sum. Zero returns to zero over time. Zero, like infinity may come in >>> different sizes and is one of many unicorn notions in mathematics, as >>> fictional, but not as good with a sword, as Zorro. >>> >>> The missing matter and energy we currently call "dark" (96%) arises from >>> assumptions (unicorn) of a universe flying apart faster than gravity >>> (unicorn) should be allowing it to and lack of enough matter we can see to >>> explain other gravitational effects we can see. It all gets back to >>> concepts like whether Allan is interested in Hinduism per se or pretty >>> ladies evincing it; or both! It's all about "exotic matters" in the end Al. >>> >>> We have not had free will since inhaling the pheromones of the slaver >>> ants that run the planet. Don't you guys read the physics papers I post >>> links to in full expectation that you will. Einstein's field equations as >>> modified by dark matter and energy were in the one by Ma and Wong, making >>> Allan's question irrelevant to everyone else in class who bothered to read >>> the paper. Or was it Mo and Wang? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, 18 January 2015 16:21:40 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> A lady friend in India who is really into Hinduism and puts up with me >>>> has taught me alot about her beliefs.. if I would chose to differences are >>>> easy to find. When it comes to beliefs including mine are not much more >>>> than a bunch of circus monkeys included. >>>> Mostly it is perspective.. especially when it comes to beliefs. You >>>> have to take everything into consideration. To the question. In Hinduism as >>>> I understand it everything comes from the uncreated God and returns to the >>>> uncreated God. I have no problems with that idea.. >>>> Now from a scientific perspective the laws say that you can neither >>>> create nor destroy matter only change to a different form but it still >>>> exists in some manner ¿God's law? >>>> >>>> This brings up an interesting question created by the big bang theory >>>> ... where did all the matter that is contained within the total universe >>>> come from. No violating known and mostly some what provable laws. >>>> (Starting point) >>>> Now making an ass out of you and me we can assume this law to be valid >>>> and true the question comes down to where did all of the matter contained >>>> within the known universe come from???? >>>> >>>> The answer I found is the same as the one found in Hinduism >>>> everything comes from and returns to the uncreated God .. >>>> >>>> Now that I have stirred up the muddy water making everything as clear >>>> as mud. It is not a textbook answer. >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 4:28 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: History >>>> >>>> Allan, would you care to tell me how the universe is part of God's >>>> being? Is this not some sort of bookish ranting? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:11 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As for omnipotent is is often used i do not even see it in >>>>> relationship with the uncreated God. Although used it just does not fit.. >>>>> Why? God is not seperate from the universe. The universe is only part of >>>>> God's being. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 1:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: History >>>>> >>>>> Allan , man is free to do just as he wants to , but God being >>>>> omnipotent has to sanction it beforehand , and that is what is >>>>> predetermined , the will of God over and above the will of man. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am still trying to figure out you predestiny theory. To me it sounds >>>>>> like nothing more than someone trying to justify improper activites by >>>>>> blaming predestiny instead of taking responsibility. >>>>>> You said the samething years ago blaming your beliefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice to read you here again maybe some of the other oldtimers will >>>>>> return also. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:53 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: History >>>>>> >>>>>> Very cunning RP - as ever. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 6:19:43 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Neil. I just don't seem to elaborate , it is in the course of >>>>>>> the discussions that the elaborations come out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:27 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is rather similar to the maths of the other side of big bang >>>>>>>> RP. Assuming a big crunch after our expansion, which would lead to >>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>> big bang, what survives from this to the next? Quantum fluctuation >>>>>>>> was the >>>>>>>> answer in the maths, mind in your suggestion here. Neil Turok was a >>>>>>>> name >>>>>>>> in the papers I read, but ideas producing no answers seems the name of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> game. More recently I've seen suggestions big bangs create another >>>>>>>> universe with time going 'backwards', known as the 'more than one >>>>>>>> future' >>>>>>>> approach. Others suggest biggle bang itself is fictional and arises >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> religious creationism we haven't managed to extirpate from our >>>>>>>> thinking - >>>>>>>> thus we should be thinking 'closer to home' on the constructors in a >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> thermodynamics of what pathways are possible and not. Examples of >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> constructors are factories and catalysts. Factories may be those >>>>>>>> familiar >>>>>>>> to us or ribosomes. Catalysts are more complex than the stuff of >>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>> chemistry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slime moulds have been interesting me recently. These are >>>>>>>> single-celled 'brainless' organisms we can only safely describe as >>>>>>>> neither >>>>>>>> plant nor animal. Yet they form networks as complex are our railway >>>>>>>> systems. We don't really know how they have the intelligence to >>>>>>>> search for >>>>>>>> food. >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKuFREOgmo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great stuff RP - but can you unwind it a bit more? In another >>>>>>>> sense, both of us have been rather biologically deterministic on 'brain >>>>>>>> producing mind' in human psychology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:31:10 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The entire creation is predetermined , it is history.Before the >>>>>>>>> big bang the history existed in the form of an idea in the >>>>>>>>> singularity. >>>>>>>>> With the big bang the history started manifesting itself as creation >>>>>>>>> It is >>>>>>>>> simply the unmanifest which is manifesting. 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