Tony is spot on. I'm not actually atheist but would like to see religion trashed in favour of a material solidarity not based on threat of poverty and spirituality not about magic wands. I know this at a deep, personal level, Sadly, I did some hard work once and know the biochemistry of why this does not spread amongst humans like the democratic chemical trails amongst ants.
You are pretty tolerant Allan - but if we think about it, total tolerance leads to the fascism of the guy using a machine gun when the rest of us have plough-shared ours. Animal Farm if you like. On books, I can point to plenty from which 'ideas' here are gleaned or soaked up from the ready-to hand. Bacon and Descartes were writing about this around 1600 and even before this, some had speculated they would be Muslim if born Muslim. The man-made, tribal nature of religion should be obvious to all. I was taught the vile war criminal genocide of Numbers 31 as though it was the right thing to do. Gandhi was sleeping with young kids to resist the temptation for the world. This would not have stopped me nicking him, but in the real world it was tough enough to fix up low-life paedophiles for time in the Big House. One might say of Tony's thought picture that we cannot listen to god because we can't look the world in the eye. Religious invention and ritual is easily seen in the Hebdo moment if you have the courage to look without the chemicals of biological hope spread in tribal mutuality that builds us up for the next Crusade,Jihad or vendetta. RP's simplicity claims neglect simplexity - what looks simple is often very complicated until we can think it out. What could an unconscious god be? Our own unconscious is riddled with emotion, leaving us with bridled irrationality at best. Clearly on can posit a conscious god, set of them and so on. When Allan says scientists can't see beyond infinity, religionists can make nothing finite by argument from authority. Tough old world Wonder if the god in Tony's picture ever thougt to ask what the people not listening think? On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 8:08:17 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: > > Probably true so there wouldn't be any riots or shootings as a result! > > On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 3:07:06 PM UTC-5, facilitator wrote: >> >> Just got a word picture: >> So many peoples and religions claiming to hear the voice of god and God >> Standing on his throne saying "Why is no one listening to me"? >> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
