I , the conscious ego, am a part of this body and engage in work under the promptings of various faculties of this body.
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:11 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > I think when the scientists say that they are unable to define > consciousness they are referring to the quality of consciousness and not > the consciousness as an entity because neurology being so advanced they may > be knowing where the central command of the organism is and as such that is > the very place in which consciousness-entity resides. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What else do we pay you for RP, other than to give us total answers? >> There is no definition really - we are guessing in this particular game. >> It's pretty tricky to define oxygen without the rest of chemistry. It was >> phlogiston once. >> >> Allan's right that if we invent evil genies they have properties. To >> some extent we can see the world through the eyes of another if they tell >> us about it or do something like Tony's artwork. Language seems to have >> some collective consciousness role, even if we are often at odds with it or >> bewitched by it. Hard to see language arising privately >> >> Given how much we copy others, is consciousness ever our own? I can't >> really see that the same dull academic book or fiction pot boiler repeated >> a thousand times comes from a thousand original subjective minds, >> >> Sometimes things are defined by what they are not, by what's in or >> outside a boundary, in a closed or open system, by what use it is in >> explanation, prediction, comforting we lost souls ... >> >> Telepathy used to be mystical and fail. Now we have radio and its >> extensions. I could pay for a beer for Chris to drink 3000 miles away and >> understand some of the relish in his description of the experience on >> google plus. Somehow I am not that interested in his consciousness when >> more direct personal experiment is possible. More interesting, perhaps, is >> that taste seems to change in near zero gravity. I hardly know that >> because I've eaten there. >> >> If Tony starts having the same consciousness as me would there be any >> point in both of us? Some choose to live without running water in order to >> change consciousness. >> >> What is in consciousness we might not admit to? Is, for instance, >> pornography an example of what lurks? Is talk of god just a polite >> distraction? >> >> I don't agree we will never know what consciousness is. We don't know >> what we will know in the future. I'm conscious we should start building a >> better material world to be conscious in - that might change consciousness >> for the better. >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 9:11:29 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> Allan , when you know so much about such things why don't you give a >>> valid definition of the concept "Consciousness". And it was Chris who was >>> calling it Mumbo Gumbo and not I. I think that I have given quite an honest >>> definition of such a subjective concept as definitions go. It is upto >>> others to give a better meaning. If I have started the thread it doesn't >>> mean that I alone have to satisfy the group. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> There are many many levels consciousness. As rock who knows all about >>>> the long hard grind after carrying the weight of a glacier on his back. Now >>>> he passes his time quietly on my workbench. >>>> Unfortunately the dictionary is the common starting point. From where >>>> you have to begin building. Chris is right.. your definion is simply not >>>> thought out or developed. Mumbo Gumbo does not cut it in an honest >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 9:00 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>>> >>>> Allan , it is consciousness. What you are seeing the dictionary for is >>>> something completely different. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:15 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is a very possible reality.. the problem is the evil genie >>>>> making us think we have consciousness would mean the evil woild have to >>>>> possess the attributes he is making is think we possess. >>>>> It us said more happened in the 1st second of creation than all the >>>>> time has passed since. >>>>> >>>>> Commonly in the belief system the overall consciousness is refered to >>>>> as God (or some variation of the name). Due to free will given to all >>>>> souls >>>>> and beings the conciousness is ever expanding like the rest of the >>>>> ùniverse >>>>> demonstrates.. >>>>> >>>>> As for a common definition one needs to turn to a dictionary. >>>>> CONSCIENTIOUSNESS >>>>> >>>>> noun (uncountable) >>>>> • The state or characteristic of being conscientious. >>>>> >>>>> CONSCIENTIOUS >>>>> >>>>> adjective >>>>> • Thorough, careful, or vigilant; implies a desire to do a task well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 5:58 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness >>>>> >>>>> We may have no consciousness and an evil genie might be making us >>>>> think we have. I find inferred consciousness is easily removed by a heavy >>>>> blow with a pick-axe handle. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 3:10:05 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Consciousness in others is inferred and not known or proved so it >>>>>> might be that even atoms of elements have consciousness. I cannot even >>>>>> prove that you have consciousness it is merely inferred that you have it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do we have to be satisfied with your explanation when we haven't >>>>>>> even determined what that means? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You began a thread called consciousness, and then won't even take >>>>>>> the first steps to try to establish a common ground on the idea? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's start with the simple question: do you believe plants have >>>>>>> consciousness? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:18 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think you will get an answer to this in the near future and >>>>>>>> maybe not in your lifetime , and so we have to be satisfied with my >>>>>>>> explanation -- it is an attribute of life , a real one , and not >>>>>>>> jumbled up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moogle-de-poogledy is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>>> description. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you see why that's not an effective line of conversation? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is conciousness? Do plants have it? Does it require sentience? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:10 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Consciousness is an attribute of life and needs no further >>>>>>>>>> description. Without consciousness there would have been no life , >>>>>>>>>> and so >>>>>>>>>> it is life itself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just so we're all on the same page, can you go ahead and define >>>>>>>>>>> exactly what a consciousness is? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:05 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world >>>>>>>>>>>> had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just >>>>>>>>>>>> death , >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that >>>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>>>>> something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at >>>>>>>>>>>> the stars >>>>>>>>>>>> , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? >>>>>>>>>>>> It all >>>>>>>>>>>> obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and >>>>>>>>>>>> not chaos. >>>>>>>>>>>> What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , >>>>>>>>>>>> no laws >>>>>>>>>>>> of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort >>>>>>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>>>> would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would >>>>>>>>>>>> return home >>>>>>>>>>>> from work . 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