I broadly agree Andrew.  People don't understand the blockchain.  There 
already is criminal money in the current system.  Bitcoin volatility is a 
problem and all such systems down to Uber taxis have regulation problems. 
 Yet the potential is demonstrated.

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:26:25 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Blockchain technology is very empowering for those inert breaking te law 
> and criminal activities. Andre on her the fixation for bitcoin..who it came 
> out I as interested, thought it could be a kick.. turns out because my 
> custom silver business was little I as ignored not being on he preferred 
> golden calf list.. 
> The price was less than $1.oo per coin. I think it as around 1/2 that 
> price. I was prepared to put up 100€ to establish a wallet and be able to 
> really sell my art work.. would have been fun..100€ is not a lot of money 
> but it was what I could honestly afford to lose on a failed idea..that 
> amount would have provided me with in excess of 200 bit coins for my 
> wallet.  Would have been fun. I was willing to accept birding today work 
> without a water converting it back to Euro.. strange thing happened I was 
> not allowed to have a wallet..
> The current rate of exchange is 206€. When you started beating the bitcoin 
> drum it was close or above 1000€ per bitcoin..  which brings up a real 
> interesting questions just how much have you lost and why are you still 
> beating the block chain tech drum?
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:00 PM
> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?
>
> I have been thinking about your post Niel. 
> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very empowering. 
> especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer porn, 
> entertainment,  commerce and information. It is however the decentralized 
> form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling people globally to 
> freely communicate and share information without the control of centralized 
> powers.  The blockchain technology is the most empowering. It frees people 
> to make money transactions without banks, legal transactions without 
> lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their opinions without 
> politicians.     
>
> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>>
>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire academic 
>> papers and books through still largely restricted access.  It's much 
>> cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what shows 
>> up is dross.  I've played with the rest to find out what is there.  Search 
>> is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university library. 
>>  Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.
>>
>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net generally 
>> - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents.  Rational 
>> discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net.  Techies spend a lot of 
>> time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this sweep. 
>>  There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do 'expert 
>> knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars but able 
>> to drive them with a bit of training.  My own bad is 'big data' as a new 
>> language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and 
>> potentially control of the means of production.
>>
>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything 
>> except trash.  I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me 
>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though 
>> don't.  There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time.  I 
>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be 
>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all.  My insurance 
>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one of 
>> the broker sites on the day.
>>
>> I do electronic teaching.  So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases 
>> undergraduate classes try to kill me with.  And I never see a boss or have 
>> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the 
>> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes.  The work is more or 
>> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short 
>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at 
>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.
>>
>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would really 
>> prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider material 
>> without packaging.  The current business model encourages loads of channels 
>> with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only 1% I'd 
>> want to see and don't want to pay to support.  Sports channels require me 
>> to pay for soccer I don't want.  Tony has done more for me in a few minutes 
>> (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever could.  We lack a 
>> business model of actual choice.  With one, insanestream news and other 
>> entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, Discovery and so 
>> on, would be things of my past.  In chronic business terms, I wonder how 
>> they do market segmentation at all.  I am sick of Blue Peter (kids 
>> programme here) presentation.
>>
>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group wanting 
>> something very different and something large enough not to be a part of 
>> when time presses and so on.  Uber, properly supervised against racist 
>> drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can explain why - 
>> though we have not yet worked out that technology could massively reduce 
>> what we currently call work and planet burning.  In the meantime we can't 
>> even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and everyone really) worrying 
>> on the curtain shades.  Give us a twirl then girl, like one of those doxies 
>> Bruce Forsythe used to encourage.  I can see something of a business model, 
>> starting with Chris' 'attractors'.  The eventual key is content for a 
>> sophisticated audience - remembering very few people do education without 
>> any kind of accreditation pay-off and the means to pay for organisation 
>> does not move easily from free.  Current strategies are advertising and the 
>> begging bowl.
>>
>>  
>>
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