In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it is interesting.
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l recall > when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in the 1000 € = > 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me help you pay > your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give you 211 € > back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when it first > came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro.. > My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not let > me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry.. > Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was due to > questionable activities. But if you like looking at short term.. Have > fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabbydott <[email protected]> > To: minds-eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? > > Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They need > money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan. > > 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: > >> If you worship money.... >> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away from >> programming.. >> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. The >> research projects were interesting.. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right. >> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are >> exposing. >> >> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full of >> shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in hacking.. I >> will watch people do the delusional twisters. >> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky because >> they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he people who >> will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is within numbers >> and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret lies.. >> >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet than >> I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will give >> it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by volunteers. The >> volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger is verifyied by >> consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger can be falsified >> is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger all have to agree to >> a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a transaction they >> want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers transcribe that >> transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized point of control, as >> the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The transactions can be >> Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be falsified due to the >> encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like ownership of assets, or >> contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a "trust-less system" in that >> you do not have to trust a centralized authority to maintain that ledger, >> as there are none. The protocol that is used for the blockchain is an open >> source program that prevents anyone compromising that protocol without >> everyone else knowing about any changes that might compromise it. The >> entire system is of course very complicated. The main aspects that allow >> such a system to be implemented is the mathematics of cryptology, the >> internet, the distributed network of computers, and geeks that maintain >> that network not because they want to hack or control it, but because they >> want to keep it honest. I hope that helps. >> >> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >> >> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks. >> >> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >> >> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer >> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling >> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the >> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most >> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, legal >> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their >> opinions without politicians. >> >> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >> >> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's >> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what >> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there. >> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university >> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >> >> >> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net generally >> - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents. Rational >> discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend a lot of >> time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this sweep. >> There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do 'expert >> knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars but able >> to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data' as a new >> language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and >> potentially control of the means of production. >> >> >> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me >> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I >> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be >> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance >> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one of >> the broker sites on the day. >> >> >> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases >> undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a boss or have >> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the >> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is more or >> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short >> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at >> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >> >> >> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would really >> prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider material >> without packaging. The current business model encourages loads of channels >> with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only 1% I'd >> want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels require me >> to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a few minutes >> (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever could. We lack a >> business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream news and other >> entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, Discovery and so >> on, would be things of my past. In chronic business terms, I wonder how >> they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue Peter (kids >> programme here) presentation. >> >> >> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group wanting >> something very different and something large enough not to be a part of >> when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against racist >> drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can explain why - >> though we have not yet worked out that technology could massively reduce >> what we currently call work and planet burning. In the meantime we can't >> even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and everyone really) worrying >> on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then girl, like one of those doxies >> Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can see something of a business model, >> starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The eventual key is content for a >> sophisticated audience - remembering very few people do education without >> any kind of accreditation pay-off and the means to pay for organisation >> does not move easily from free. 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