There have been many other alternative currencies, including drugs and spices. The interesting thing is not Bitcoin itself (or the 80+ other versions), but the challenge to claims of bank expertise and various 'rents' in the economic system, oincluding those imposed by 'professionals'
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:54:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > well can not imagine why it is interesting. > If it is security you want stay off the net and even then they still have > you.. To much info readily available. But you know that.. > Onions have great security .. So what makes it interesting? > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? > > In that sense Allan, iy was just another bubble. This is not why it is > interesting. > > On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 9:15:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> We'll, if that is how you want to pay your bills.. Have fun, l recall >> when Andrew became excited about bitcoin the said value was in the 1000 € = >> 1 bitcoin.. Just looked up the value it is 211 € .. Let me help you pay >> your bills you give me 1000 euro and in a few days I will give you 211 € >> back.. Good deal right? When I first looked into bitcoin (when it first >> came out) you could buy 2 for less than a Euro.. >> My question really is how many euro did Andrew lose.. They would not let >> me create a small wallet so I cold sell my jewelry.. >> Now I was not allowed to create a wallet, found out later it was due to >> questionable activities. But if you like looking at short term.. Have >> fun. And I am called a zombie.. lol >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gabbydott <[email protected]> >> To: minds-eye <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 9:51 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >> >> Let's make this a third person case and say people need money. They need >> money pay their bills. Please don't be so hard on them, dear Allan. >> >> 2015-02-17 21:15 GMT+01:00 <[email protected]>: >> >>> If you worship money.... >>> My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and >>> reterival and that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away from >>> programming.. >>> Can be fun if and that is a big if.. >>> Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity. The >>> research projects were interesting.. >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>> >>> It isn't that bleak Allan. Andrew has the basic description right. >>> People generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are >>> exposing. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full of >>> shit,, by it is okay.. all own source is good for is ease in hacking.. I >>> will watch people do the delusional twisters. >>> A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky because >>> they are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he people who >>> will employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is within numbers >>> and time, the segmentation ability is where the secret lies.. >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be? >>> >>> You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet >>> than I can give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will >>> give it a try. The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by >>> volunteers. The volunteers document transactions made by users.The ledger >>> is verifyied by consensus of the volunteers. The the only way that ledger >>> can be falsified is that 51% of the volunteers that maintain the ledger all >>> have to agree to a falsified version of the ledger. The users broadcast a >>> transaction they want to include in that ledger, and the volunteers >>> transcribe that transactions in that ledger. There is no centralized point >>> of control, as the ledger is distributed by the volunteers. The >>> transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently can not be >>> falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, like >>> ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a >>> "trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized >>> authority to maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that is >>> used for the blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone >>> compromising that protocol without everyone else knowing about any changes >>> that might compromise it. The entire system is of course very complicated. >>> The main aspects that allow such a system to be implemented is the >>> mathematics of cryptology, the internet, the distributed network of >>> computers, and geeks that maintain that network not because they want to >>> hack or control it, but because they want to keep it honest. I hope that >>> helps. >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote: >>> >>> I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain >>> technology, Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks. >>> >>> Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey : >>> >>> I have been thinking about your post Niel. >>> The internet connects people via their computers. That is very >>> empowering. especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer >>> porn, entertainment, commerce and information. It is however the >>> decentralized form of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling >>> people globally to freely communicate and share information without the >>> control of centralized powers. The blockchain technology is the most >>> empowering. It frees people to make money transactions without banks, legal >>> transactions without lawyers, and allows people to vote and voice their >>> opinions without politicians. >>> >>> On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote: >>> >>> Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire >>> academic papers and books through still largely restricted access. It's >>> much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what >>> shows up is dross. I've played with the rest to find out what is there. >>> Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university >>> library. Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want. >>> >>> >>> In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net generally >>> - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents. Rational >>> discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net. Techies spend a lot of >>> time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this sweep. >>> There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do 'expert >>> knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars but able >>> to drive them with a bit of training. My own bad is 'big data' as a new >>> language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and >>> potentially control of the means of production. >>> >>> >>> Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything >>> except trash. I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me >>> off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though >>> don't. There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time. I >>> bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be >>> done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all. My insurance >>> renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one of >>> the broker sites on the day. >>> >>> >>> I do electronic teaching. So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases >>> undergraduate classes try to kill me with. And I never see a boss or have >>> to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the >>> students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes. The work is more or >>> less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short >>> notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at >>> my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help. >>> >>> >>> I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would really >>> prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider material >>> without packaging. The current business model encourages loads of channels >>> with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only 1% I'd >>> want to see and don't want to pay to support. Sports channels require me >>> to pay for soccer I don't want. Tony has done more for me in a few minutes >>> (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever could. We lack a >>> business model of actual choice. With one, insanestream news and other >>> entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, Discovery and so >>> on, would be things of my past. In chronic business terms, I wonder how >>> they do market segmentation at all. I am sick of Blue Peter (kids >>> programme here) presentation. >>> >>> >>> One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group >>> wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a >>> part of when time presses and so on. Uber, properly supervised against >>> racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can >>> explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could >>> massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning. In the >>> meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and >>> everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades. Give us a twirl then >>> girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage. I can see >>> something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'. The >>> eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very few >>> people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the means >>> to pay for organisation does not move easily from free. 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