If you worship money....  
My memory is saying it is not worth anything for data storage and reterival and 
that is what computers are about.. In 1977 I walked away from programming.. 
Can be fun if and that is a big if.. 
Do you like long hours and extreme focus and the edge of sanity.   The research 
projects were interesting.. 


تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?

It isn't that bleak Allan.  Andrew has the basic description right.  People 
generally refuse to see the bigger picture these developments are exposing.

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 6:34:02 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Dream on Andrew, sorry and I already your are going to say I am full of shit,,  
by it is okay..  all own source is good for is ease in hacking.. I will watch 
people do the delusional twisters.
A few people will always maintain machine language you are lucky because they 
are not interested in delusional dead.. beware through he people who will 
employ them are rue control freaks. The safety net is within numbers and time, 
the segmentation ability is where the secret lies..


تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?

You can get a better explanation of the blockchain from the internet than I can 
give you. But as I like to simplify complicated things, I will give it a try. 
The blockchain is a public ledger that is kept by volunteers. The volunteers 
document transactions made by users.The ledger is verifyied by consensus of the 
volunteers. The the only way that ledger can be falsified is that 51% of the 
volunteers that maintain the ledger all have to agree to a falsified version of 
the ledger. The users broadcast a transaction they want to include in that 
ledger, and the volunteers transcribe that transactions in that ledger.  There 
is no centralized point of control, as the ledger is distributed by the 
volunteers.  The transactions can be Bitcoins, a cryptocurrency that apparently 
can not be falsified due to the encryption it uses, or any other transactions, 
like ownership of assets, or contracts. The blockchain is refereed to as a 
"trust-less system" in that you do not have to trust a centralized authority to 
maintain that ledger, as there are none. The protocol that is used for the 
blockchain is an open source program that prevents anyone compromising that 
protocol without everyone else knowing about any changes that might compromise 
it. The entire system is of course very complicated. The main aspects that 
allow such a system to be implemented is the mathematics of cryptology, the 
internet, the distributed network of computers, and geeks that maintain that 
network not because they want to hack or control it, but because they want to 
keep it honest. I hope that helps. 

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:56:22 PM UTC+1, Gabby wrote:

I am interested in empowerment tools. What is the blockchain technology, 
Andrew? First what it is and then what is does, okay? Thanks.

Am Dienstag, 17. Februar 2015 schrieb andrew vecsey :

I have been thinking about your post Niel. 
The internet connects people via their computers. That is very empowering. 
especially to the owners of centralized computers that offer porn, 
entertainment,  commerce and information. It is however the decentralized form 
of the internet that is truly empowering, enabling people globally to freely 
communicate and share information without the control of centralized powers.  
The blockchain technology is the most empowering. It frees people to make money 
transactions without banks, legal transactions without lawyers, and allows 
people to vote and voice their opinions without politicians.     

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 3:41:22 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:

Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire academic papers 
and books through still largely restricted access.  It's much cheaper than 
buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what shows up is dross.  I've 
played with the rest to find out what is there.  Search is a big plus compared 
with rooting through stuff in a university library.  Now, much google search 
just turns up dross I don't want.


In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net generally - in 
terms of how much of general consciousness this represents.  Rational 
discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net.  Techies spend a lot of time 
looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this sweep.  There is 
a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do 'expert knowledge' on 
the metaphor of people not being able to build cars but able to drive them with 
a bit of training.  My own bad is 'big data' as a new language that would bring 
a different speed to human discourse and potentially control of the means of 
production.


Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything except 
trash.  I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me 
off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though don't.  
There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time.  I bank n line 
and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be done in the same 
manner as shops don't interest me at all.  My insurance renewals are always 30% 
higher than I can get the same cover for via one of the broker sites on the day.


I do electronic teaching.  So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases 
undergraduate classes try to kill me with.  And I never see a boss or have to 
attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the students 
discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes.  The work is more or less 
pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short notice and I 
don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at my door because 
they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.


I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would really prefer 
to pay for channels where I could select from much wider material without 
packaging.  The current business model encourages loads of channels with the 
same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only 1% I'd want to see 
and don't want to pay to support.  Sports channels require me to pay for soccer 
I don't want.  Tony has done more for me in a few minutes (neglecting his 
production time) than Sky Arts bores ever could.  We lack a business model of 
actual choice.  With one, insanestream news and other entertainment, the crap 
science pornography of the BBC, Discovery and so on, would be things of my 
past.  In chronic business terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at 
all.  I am sick of Blue Peter (kids programme here) presentation.


One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group wanting 
something very different and something large enough not to be a part of when 
time presses and so on.  Uber, properly supervised against racist drivers, 
could bring very radical change - I meet few who can explain why - though we 
have not yet worked out that technology could massively reduce what we 
currently call work and planet burning.  In the meantime we can't even set up a 
discussion group without Gabby (and everyone really) worrying on the curtain 
shades.  Give us a twirl then girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe 
used to encourage.  I can see something of a business model, starting with 
Chris' 'attractors'.  The eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience 
- remembering very few people do education without any kind of accreditation 
pay-off and the means to pay for organisation does not move easily from free.  
Current strategies are advertising and the begging bowl.


 

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