Not where the challenge lies for me. On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 12:13:37 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: > > I don't see the ways Molly uses to achieve inner peace, but have my own > methods which can easily be tried by everyone. Whatever you experience lay > it at the door of God, and whatever you do lay that also at the door of > God. The truth is that God or Nature is primarily responsible for > everything. If you do this it is easier to achieve inner peace as feelings > of arrogance and depression are replaced by a calmness of mind. When the > mind is calm the best ideas come to a person and logic works better, but , > of course, you can do this only if you believe in absolute bondage. > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:30 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That's rather to individualistic for me Molly - though I don't disagree >> with the spirit of it, with reservations about the possibility this could >> be a construction of govern-mentality in the subjective. >> >> >> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:35:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>> >>> Relating through inner peace does require a different skill set, and can >>> upset everything we have learned about people (and some of what we know of >>> ourselves.) As daunting as a whole new operating system that requires >>> learning all new settings. Once you get through it, you find that people >>> respond differently to you in the same circumstance. The change is in you, >>> not others or the world. >>> >>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 1:01:17 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> Some minds were so troubled, suicide was the option on failure to >>>> resolve difficult problems (Bolzman supposedly etc). Skepticism lets us >>>> see things might be different (obviously in very real ways on things as >>>> atoms or whatever else they divide up as, still leaving what might be >>>> important to find), but leaves certainty in a quandary, including >>>> certainty >>>> about skepticism. Logics fail to escape this quandary too, though we >>>> don't >>>> use them in practice to reach certainty - more to know what pathways work >>>> and those that don't. There may be no gods, yet we can also suppose >>>> worlds >>>> with them and wonder which we think would be better. >>>> >>>> Mostly RP, we think theories arise in intuition and a lot of early >>>> decisions we make on approximation, choice of mathematical systems, >>>> measurement and separating facts from fairy stories - but this too tends >>>> to >>>> be philosophical work done after the fact. Any purity of origin is >>>> disputable rather than logical. But it is all much to do with recognising >>>> different ways to do things and respect for that difference. Logical and >>>> mathematical systems all seem to have an 'outside' that the inner >>>> consistency relies on. >>>> >>>> Molly's quiet mind is something of an aspiration. I don't see the >>>> switch the car off metaphor as mind seems very active when we think it's >>>> switched off because we have lost awareness. I am more 'RP' on this in >>>> that we need security. Much mind for me is external and embodied in the >>>> social-technological. >>>> >>>> Presence, as Allan has just said, is often ineffable. It is very >>>> difficult to relate through inner peace too. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 11:57:09 AM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Neil's statement that it is sometimes hard to see beyond >>>>> the apparent horror of the presence manifest. Just as it is hard to not >>>>> be >>>>> distracted by the perceived beauty. Somewhere in there, we get caught up >>>>> in >>>>> the mental gymnastics of judgment and logic. Life to me, is more peaceful >>>>> and joyful if I can suspend all of that. I don't leave my car running >>>>> when >>>>> I don't need to use it.Yet my car is an integral part of my life. I've >>>>> found my mind to be much the same, an important mechanism that if I keep >>>>> it >>>>> well maintained and stored, is there and running at peak operational >>>>> capacity when needed. That presence can be experienced much more >>>>> profoundly >>>>> with a quiet mind, IMHO >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:20:57 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Started working on a reply.. But like somethings I write they just >>>>>> disappear and I can't explain it.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil is very correct when he is saying he feels a presence. When I >>>>>> reglect upon my personal experiences what I am experience it is a >>>>>> presence >>>>>> that I am interacting with.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Neil for the very deep insight. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 3:53 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >>>>>> >>>>>> Creation is not a work of hand but will , if something manifests and >>>>>> evolves it is the work of will, not necessarily a will like ours and not >>>>>> by >>>>>> a conscious being like us but by the Being which scientists are >>>>>> conjecturing as something before the big bang , the cause of it. To me >>>>>> that >>>>>> Something is God as that is the origin of the universe. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Big bang is not necessarily a creation event RP. God from logic? I >>>>>>> prefer the ghost buster business plan. I feel some presence is all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:06:12 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The conclusion that it exists is a product of logic, Life had to >>>>>>>> come out of something and what better than the One. It is logical to >>>>>>>> believe that all come out of One and not the many. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First you said it was hiding behind the many, now you are saying >>>>>>>>> it is above all. May I ask what it is that makes you so sure it >>>>>>>>> exists, if >>>>>>>>> the mapping is so complicated? How do we know we are not falling for >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> ghost buster business model? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The One is not present in the past , present and the future , >>>>>>>>>> rather it is time , past , present and future which is preent in the >>>>>>>>>> One. >>>>>>>>>> The One is above time as it is above all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why should that One have the need to hide behind the many, when >>>>>>>>>>> ever present in past, present and future? I would understand if it >>>>>>>>>>> wants to >>>>>>>>>>> hide its shadows there behind the Big Bang, but then we should help >>>>>>>>>>> the One >>>>>>>>>>> to find its way out there! Time is now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The entire universe emanated from something following the big >>>>>>>>>>>> bang , but it cannot be said to be that something rather it is the >>>>>>>>>>>> something which is behind the universe. So the One behind the >>>>>>>>>>>> many. Now all >>>>>>>>>>>> the individuals have come from that something but cannot be said >>>>>>>>>>>> to be that >>>>>>>>>>>> something. Again as all come from that something they are ever >>>>>>>>>>>> present in >>>>>>>>>>>> that, and all past , present and future is just history abiding in >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, gabbydott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The One but the many, the many but the One - does not sound >>>>>>>>>>>>> convincing in my ears. Allan, what do you say? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabby , the logic is that One is behind the many , but not the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many. The individual is just a fragment or rather an emanation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the One , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not the One. It is the One which is the repository of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the infinite beings , the limitless creation, is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unmanifest and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> become manifest when their time comes. Theoretically as all that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or will be is there in the unmanifest any thing in the past or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future can be known by touching that source. The past, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> present or the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future is all history as it always exists in the One. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:03 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, your spell checker is doing a good job, Allan! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The compass needle is in balance. Back in balance. As this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be your orientational pattern: "bring back information >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> totality of all knowledge". God being the representative of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" and therefore greater than the individual knowledge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that right so far? What leaves me wondering is, how does that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding match with the One&theMany understanding, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really draw the line between the individual and the All, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspectives as the cause for you seeing God as being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let me ask differently, how much would you say is the soul the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative of the totality of all knowledge? And in how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soul equipped with its own compass needle from there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was thinking about the old testament. Whati don't like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it is the inaccurate descriptions. Or outright lies but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what van you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect from a group of people trying to put themselves above >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity. I can relate to some of what is recorded because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have occurred to me, which leaves me wondering what really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story of creation is fasinating especially if you pitch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thr time scale and look it as stages.. In its own right it ts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified version of the big bsng theory told to a group of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herders/hunter gathers explaining their origin.. Similar in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stories of how the navajo emerhed on this earth. Both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. Personally in my views I tend to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transendentlist believing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that one can actually cross the time/space barrier to bring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from the totality of all knowledge (which is ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanding and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not stagnant) because of my understanding of a being greater >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I commonly refer to as God. This being helps me retrieve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in a format you can understand. 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