For all practical purposes, the will to strive is in our hands , we can put in effort or let ourselves loose. If you have done well you must be happy and content but not arrogant, similarly if you have not put in much effort and failed to progress you should be dissatisfied but not depressed. That's how I take it, Neil, and yet I have not achieved much in life and can be called a failure by most people.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:55 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I can see what you mean RP. I was reasonably content with a belief that > we were progressing and not much had to matter beyond being a cog in the > wheel. More recently, perhaps over the last twenty years, it seems almost > nothing flowing past in the more general world was as represented at all. > > > On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 6:24:03 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >> >> Every work you do should be a challenge and you should strive your >> uttermost, but you could still lay it as a sacrifice before God because >> you are predetermined by the laws made by god. It is needed to keep >> arrogance at bay because success mostly gives a swollen head. >> Those who are not that fortunate and mostly err in their works get >> depressed easily and need this safety valve to stop recriminating all the >> time. >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:42 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Not where the challenge lies for me. >>> >>> >>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 12:13:37 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't see the ways Molly uses to achieve inner peace, but have my own >>>> methods which can easily be tried by everyone. Whatever you experience lay >>>> it at the door of God, and whatever you do lay that also at the door of >>>> God. The truth is that God or Nature is primarily responsible for >>>> everything. If you do this it is easier to achieve inner peace as feelings >>>> of arrogance and depression are replaced by a calmness of mind. When the >>>> mind is calm the best ideas come to a person and logic works better, but , >>>> of course, you can do this only if you believe in absolute bondage. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:30 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's rather to individualistic for me Molly - though I don't >>>>> disagree with the spirit of it, with reservations about the possibility >>>>> this could be a construction of govern-mentality in the subjective. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:35:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Relating through inner peace does require a different skill set, and >>>>>> can upset everything we have learned about people (and some of what we >>>>>> know >>>>>> of ourselves.) As daunting as a whole new operating system that requires >>>>>> learning all new settings. Once you get through it, you find that people >>>>>> respond differently to you in the same circumstance. The change is in >>>>>> you, >>>>>> not others or the world. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 1:01:17 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some minds were so troubled, suicide was the option on failure to >>>>>>> resolve difficult problems (Bolzman supposedly etc). Skepticism lets us >>>>>>> see things might be different (obviously in very real ways on things as >>>>>>> atoms or whatever else they divide up as, still leaving what might be >>>>>>> important to find), but leaves certainty in a quandary, including >>>>>>> certainty >>>>>>> about skepticism. Logics fail to escape this quandary too, though we >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> use them in practice to reach certainty - more to know what pathways >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> and those that don't. There may be no gods, yet we can also suppose >>>>>>> worlds >>>>>>> with them and wonder which we think would be better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mostly RP, we think theories arise in intuition and a lot of early >>>>>>> decisions we make on approximation, choice of mathematical systems, >>>>>>> measurement and separating facts from fairy stories - but this too >>>>>>> tends to >>>>>>> be philosophical work done after the fact. Any purity of origin is >>>>>>> disputable rather than logical. But it is all much to do with >>>>>>> recognising >>>>>>> different ways to do things and respect for that difference. Logical >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> mathematical systems all seem to have an 'outside' that the inner >>>>>>> consistency relies on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Molly's quiet mind is something of an aspiration. I don't see the >>>>>>> switch the car off metaphor as mind seems very active when we think it's >>>>>>> switched off because we have lost awareness. I am more 'RP' on this in >>>>>>> that we need security. Much mind for me is external and embodied in the >>>>>>> social-technological. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Presence, as Allan has just said, is often ineffable. It is very >>>>>>> difficult to relate through inner peace too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 11:57:09 AM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Neil's statement that it is sometimes hard to see >>>>>>>> beyond the apparent horror of the presence manifest. Just as it is >>>>>>>> hard to >>>>>>>> not be distracted by the perceived beauty. Somewhere in there, we get >>>>>>>> caught up in the mental gymnastics of judgment and logic. Life to me, >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> more peaceful and joyful if I can suspend all of that. I don't leave >>>>>>>> my car >>>>>>>> running when I don't need to use it.Yet my car is an integral part of >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> life. I've found my mind to be much the same, an important mechanism >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> if I keep it well maintained and stored, is there and running at peak >>>>>>>> operational capacity when needed. That presence can be experienced much >>>>>>>> more profoundly with a quiet mind, IMHO >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:20:57 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Started working on a reply.. But like somethings I write they >>>>>>>>> just disappear and I can't explain it.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Neil is very correct when he is saying he feels a presence. When >>>>>>>>> I reglect upon my personal experiences what I am experience it is a >>>>>>>>> presence that I am interacting with.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Neil for the very deep insight. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 3:53 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Creation is not a work of hand but will , if something manifests >>>>>>>>> and evolves it is the work of will, not necessarily a will like ours >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> not by a conscious being like us but by the Being which scientists are >>>>>>>>> conjecturing as something before the big bang , the cause of it. To >>>>>>>>> me that >>>>>>>>> Something is God as that is the origin of the universe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Big bang is not necessarily a creation event RP. God from >>>>>>>>>> logic? I prefer the ghost buster business plan. I feel some >>>>>>>>>> presence is >>>>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:06:12 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The conclusion that it exists is a product of logic, Life had to >>>>>>>>>>> come out of something and what better than the One. It is logical to >>>>>>>>>>> believe that all come out of One and not the many. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> First you said it was hiding behind the many, now you are >>>>>>>>>>>> saying it is above all. May I ask what it is that makes you so >>>>>>>>>>>> sure it >>>>>>>>>>>> exists, if the mapping is so complicated? How do we know we are >>>>>>>>>>>> not falling >>>>>>>>>>>> for a ghost buster business model? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The One is not present in the past , present and the future , >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather it is time , past , present and future which is preent in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the One. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The One is above time as it is above all. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should that One have the need to hide behind the many, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when ever present in past, present and future? I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand if it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to hide its shadows there behind the Big Bang, but then we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help the One to find its way out there! Time is now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire universe emanated from something following the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big bang , but it cannot be said to be that something rather it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something which is behind the universe. So the One behind the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many. Now all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the individuals have come from that something but cannot be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said to be that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. Again as all come from that something they are ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and all past , present and future is just history abiding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The One but the many, the many but the One - does not sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convincing in my ears. Allan, what do you say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabby , the logic is that One is behind the many , but not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the many. The individual is just a fragment or rather an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emanation of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One , but not the One. It is the One which is the repository >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge where the infinite beings , the limitless creation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is unmanifest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and become manifest when their time comes. Theoretically as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all that has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been or will be is there in the unmanifest any thing in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything in the future can be known by touching that source. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The past, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present or the future is all history as it always exists in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the One. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:03 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, your spell checker is doing a good job, Allan! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The compass needle is in balance. Back in balance. As >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this seems to be your orientational pattern: "bring back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the totality of all knowledge". God being the representative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the "all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" and therefore greater than the individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge. Did I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that right so far? What leaves me wondering is, how does that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding match with the One&theMany understanding, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really draw the line between the individual and the All, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspectives as the cause for you seeing God as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being greater. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let me ask differently, how much would you say is the soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative of the totality of all knowledge? And in how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soul equipped with its own compass needle from there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was thinking about the old testament. Whati don't like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it is the inaccurate descriptions. Or outright lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but what van you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect from a group of people trying to put themselves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above the rest of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity. I can relate to some of what is recorded because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have occurred to me, which leaves me wondering what really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story of creation is fasinating especially if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pitch thr time scale and look it as stages.. In its own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right it ts a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified version of the big bsng theory told to a group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herders/hunter gathers explaining their origin.. Similar in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspects to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stories of how the navajo emerhed on this earth. Both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. Personally in my views I tend to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transendentlist believing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that one can actually cross the time/space barrier to bring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from the totality of all knowledge (which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever expanding and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not stagnant) because of my understanding of a being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater than myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I commonly refer to as God. This being helps me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retrieve new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in a format you can understand. To me there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a totality of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge all contained with a being I refer to as God. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/yDzn3Mhp_8I/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/op >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/op >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/yDzn3Mhp_8I/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to minds-eye+unsubscribe@googlegr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/yDzn3Mhp_8I/unsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/yDzn3Mhp_8I/unsu >>>>>>>>>>>>> bscribe. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
