This is the only world I know, Allan, and have to be content here only , no matter how I have fared.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Meditation is a very personal thing. It has nothing to do with change.. > Yes change will occur many people eillbtell you how and all kinds of > methods.. Had a person tell me I needed to sit in a lotus position and it > was impossible for them to concieve that my nees prevented that.. I could > do itand there is a much greater chance of damaging my artificial knees.. > But I don't see what meditation has to do with success or failure? To me > success or failure is determined how your soul responds to the situations > it finds it self in during the bodies life time. Has it done as little > hatm as possible. Has it responded in a loving and caring mannor and only > each soul knows that.. In the reality of the soul it can not hide.. Maybe > it can by going where I would not want to go.. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: RP Singh <[email protected]> > To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist > > For all practical purposes, the will to strive is in our hands , we can > put in effort or let ourselves loose. If you have done well you must be > happy and content but not arrogant, similarly if you have not put in much > effort and failed to progress you should be dissatisfied but not depressed. > That's how I take it, Neil, and yet I have not achieved much in life and > can be called a failure by most people. > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:55 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I can see what you mean RP. I was reasonably content with a belief that >> we were progressing and not much had to matter beyond being a cog in the >> wheel. More recently, perhaps over the last twenty years, it seems almost >> nothing flowing past in the more general world was as represented at all. >> >> >> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 6:24:03 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> Every work you do should be a challenge and you should strive your >>> uttermost, but you could still lay it as a sacrifice before God because >>> you are predetermined by the laws made by god. It is needed to keep >>> arrogance at bay because success mostly gives a swollen head. >>> Those who are not that fortunate and mostly err in their works get >>> depressed easily and need this safety valve to stop recriminating all the >>> time. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:42 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Not where the challenge lies for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 12:13:37 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't see the ways Molly uses to achieve inner peace, but have my >>>>> own methods which can easily be tried by everyone. Whatever you experience >>>>> lay it at the door of God, and whatever you do lay that also at the door >>>>> of >>>>> God. The truth is that God or Nature is primarily responsible for >>>>> everything. If you do this it is easier to achieve inner peace as feelings >>>>> of arrogance and depression are replaced by a calmness of mind. When the >>>>> mind is calm the best ideas come to a person and logic works better, but , >>>>> of course, you can do this only if you believe in absolute bondage. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:30 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's rather to individualistic for me Molly - though I don't >>>>>> disagree with the spirit of it, with reservations about the possibility >>>>>> this could be a construction of govern-mentality in the subjective. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:35:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Relating through inner peace does require a different skill set, and >>>>>>> can upset everything we have learned about people (and some of what we >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> of ourselves.) As daunting as a whole new operating system that requires >>>>>>> learning all new settings. Once you get through it, you find that people >>>>>>> respond differently to you in the same circumstance. The change is in >>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> not others or the world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 1:01:17 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some minds were so troubled, suicide was the option on failure to >>>>>>>> resolve difficult problems (Bolzman supposedly etc). Skepticism lets >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>> see things might be different (obviously in very real ways on things as >>>>>>>> atoms or whatever else they divide up as, still leaving what might be >>>>>>>> important to find), but leaves certainty in a quandary, including >>>>>>>> certainty >>>>>>>> about skepticism. Logics fail to escape this quandary too, though we >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> use them in practice to reach certainty - more to know what pathways >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> and those that don't. There may be no gods, yet we can also suppose >>>>>>>> worlds >>>>>>>> with them and wonder which we think would be better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mostly RP, we think theories arise in intuition and a lot of early >>>>>>>> decisions we make on approximation, choice of mathematical systems, >>>>>>>> measurement and separating facts from fairy stories - but this too >>>>>>>> tends to >>>>>>>> be philosophical work done after the fact. Any purity of origin is >>>>>>>> disputable rather than logical. But it is all much to do with >>>>>>>> recognising >>>>>>>> different ways to do things and respect for that difference. Logical >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> mathematical systems all seem to have an 'outside' that the inner >>>>>>>> consistency relies on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Molly's quiet mind is something of an aspiration. I don't see the >>>>>>>> switch the car off metaphor as mind seems very active when we think >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> switched off because we have lost awareness. I am more 'RP' on this in >>>>>>>> that we need security. Much mind for me is external and embodied in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> social-technological. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Presence, as Allan has just said, is often ineffable. It is very >>>>>>>> difficult to relate through inner peace too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 11:57:09 AM UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Neil's statement that it is sometimes hard to see >>>>>>>>> beyond the apparent horror of the presence manifest. Just as it is >>>>>>>>> hard to >>>>>>>>> not be distracted by the perceived beauty. Somewhere in there, we get >>>>>>>>> caught up in the mental gymnastics of judgment and logic. Life to me, >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> more peaceful and joyful if I can suspend all of that. I don't leave >>>>>>>>> my car >>>>>>>>> running when I don't need to use it.Yet my car is an integral part of >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> life. I've found my mind to be much the same, an important mechanism >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> if I keep it well maintained and stored, is there and running at peak >>>>>>>>> operational capacity when needed. That presence can be experienced >>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>> more profoundly with a quiet mind, IMHO >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:20:57 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Started working on a reply.. But like somethings I write they >>>>>>>>>> just disappear and I can't explain it.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Neil is very correct when he is saying he feels a presence. >>>>>>>>>> When I reglect upon my personal experiences what I am experience it >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> presence that I am interacting with.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you Neil for the very deep insight. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: RP Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: Minds Eye <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 3:53 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Creation is not a work of hand but will , if something manifests >>>>>>>>>> and evolves it is the work of will, not necessarily a will like ours >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> not by a conscious being like us but by the Being which scientists >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> conjecturing as something before the big bang , the cause of it. To >>>>>>>>>> me that >>>>>>>>>> Something is God as that is the origin of the universe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Big bang is not necessarily a creation event RP. God from >>>>>>>>>>> logic? I prefer the ghost buster business plan. I feel some >>>>>>>>>>> presence is >>>>>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:06:12 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The conclusion that it exists is a product of logic, Life had >>>>>>>>>>>> to come out of something and what better than the One. It is >>>>>>>>>>>> logical to >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that all come out of One and not the many. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM, gabbydott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> First you said it was hiding behind the many, now you are >>>>>>>>>>>>> saying it is above all. May I ask what it is that makes you so >>>>>>>>>>>>> sure it >>>>>>>>>>>>> exists, if the mapping is so complicated? How do we know we are >>>>>>>>>>>>> not falling >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a ghost buster business model? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The One is not present in the past , present and the future , >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather it is time , past , present and future which is preent in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the One. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The One is above time as it is above all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should that One have the need to hide behind the many, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when ever present in past, present and future? I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand if it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to hide its shadows there behind the Big Bang, but then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help the One to find its way out there! Time is now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The entire universe emanated from something following the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big bang , but it cannot be said to be that something rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something which is behind the universe. So the One behind the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many. Now all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the individuals have come from that something but cannot be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said to be that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. Again as all come from that something they are ever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and all past , present and future is just history >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abiding in that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The One but the many, the many but the One - does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound convincing in my ears. Allan, what do you say? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gabby , the logic is that One is behind the many , but not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the many. The individual is just a fragment or rather an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emanation of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One , but not the One. It is the One which is the repository >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge where the infinite beings , the limitless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation, is unmanifest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and become manifest when their time comes. Theoretically as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all that has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been or will be is there in the unmanifest any thing in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything in the future can be known by touching that source. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The past, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present or the future is all history as it always exists in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the One. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:03 PM, gabbydott < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, your spell checker is doing a good job, Allan! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The compass needle is in balance. Back in balance. As >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this seems to be your orientational pattern: "bring back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the totality of all knowledge". God being the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative of the "all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" and therefore greater than the individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge. Did I get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that right so far? What leaves me wondering is, how does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding match with the One&theMany understanding, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really draw the line between the individual and the All, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspectives as the cause for you seeing God as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being greater. Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let me ask differently, how much would you say is the soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the individual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> representative of the totality of all knowledge? And in how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soul equipped with its own compass needle from there? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was thinking about the old testament. Whati don't like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it is the inaccurate descriptions. Or outright lies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but what van you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect from a group of people trying to put themselves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above the rest of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humanity. I can relate to some of what is recorded because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have occurred to me, which leaves me wondering what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really went on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The story of creation is fasinating especially if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pitch thr time scale and look it as stages.. In its own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right it ts a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified version of the big bsng theory told to a group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> herders/hunter gathers explaining their origin.. Similar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in aspects to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stories of how the navajo emerhed on this earth. Both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazingly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. Personally in my views I tend to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transendentlist believing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that one can actually cross the time/space barrier to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from the totality of all knowledge (which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever expanding and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not stagnant) because of my understanding of a being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greater than myself >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I commonly refer to as God. This being helps me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retrieve new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in a format you can understand. 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