... and Neil since then is a stranger, Allan, so please be patient there too ..
2015-02-24 14:22 GMT+01:00 Gabby <[email protected]>: > You keep on reminding us, Allan, yes. I'll hurry up. I have started > reading up on the United States Declaration of Independence, but the > problem is there, they don't use "golden calf factor" and don't base it on > religious reasons but on "Laws of Nature". Thank you for your patience. > > Am Dienstag, 24. Februar 2015 08:05:54 UTC+1 schrieb Allan Heretic: >> >> Thats true, I was thinking more of the US political /religious >> system.. Some churches are very good others not so good because of the >> golden calf factor.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 1:25 AM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >> >> Religions are closely linked with the treatment of others, including >> strangers. >> >> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 9:31:57 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Faith in the social system? >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >>> >>> That is the question pol. I have faith that lead carbonate will turn >>> yellow at 78 degrees, at least in Earth laboratories. Spent today cleaning >>> up after my grandson - little faith in him and considering a ban. I take >>> people as they come. Not so much about faith in them as hoping they may >>> have common interests - fairly rare for me. Thee seem to be things to hope >>> for requiring faith. Most people expressing faith seem to be doing >>> something else to me, in the religious sense. >>> >>> The big one for me is faith in social systems' claims on what they are >>> really doing and can do. That looks bleak. >>> >>> On Monday, 23 February 2015 20:15:52 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting questions Polly, I think the faith we are discussing is >>>> generically classified as a power greater than we are. >>>> >>>> Faith in others. That is an interesting l)question.. Personally I >>>> try give people the benefit of trust. Until that trust is broken.. A lot of >>>> people don't care if they are dishonest toward others. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: polly skid <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 8:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist >>>> >>>> Faith in what?? I know you mean Faith faith, but, speaking of faith.. >>>> Why do you think it's tough to have faith in other people... >>>> On Feb 23, 2015 11:30 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We might ask at what point faith is so obviously delusional as to give >>>>> it up and whether faith can be given up? Obviously, religions can be >>>>> given >>>>> up at the drop of a conqueror's hat, despite all previous professions of >>>>> faith. So do we overdo faith as an internal matter? Without the external >>>>> misery, scarcity and so on, would there be much need-demand for inner >>>>> self-development offered as peaceful light at the end of the tunnel in >>>>> better external environments? >>>>> >>>>> I don't find people working much on inner integrity and much more on >>>>> image management and backing down to the chief barker. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 5:03:43 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Reminds me a bit of trying to do a Rubik's cube my nephews had >>>>>> rendered impossible by peeling labels off to 'complete' it. We had a >>>>>> debate today with our current Chancellor of five years being blamed for >>>>>> doing nothing on tax evasion-avoidance and in turn blaming his >>>>>> predecessor >>>>>> for doing nothing five years ago. Clear proof of just how useless our >>>>>> system is and an argument rather like Tony's shape and lack of colour >>>>>> here. I suspect a diversion of our faith to the kind of contentment we >>>>>> strive to achieve in domestic herds. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 4:23:35 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Faith-Reason" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Xx9F9Qa-ITY/VOtT054sq-I/AAAAAAAAAGQ/O8A_bI5JvW0/s1600/Faith%2B%2BReason.jpg> >>>>>>> "Contentment comes at a very high price, anxiety and fear are often >>>>>>> sold to secure the debt" (™) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/yDzn3Mhp_8I/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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