Why don't you need it anymore? What is your message to us? You said you are
coming from a good educational and financial background, why do you you
propagate the simple life now? What is the lesson for us?

Am Dienstag, 24. Februar 2015 schrieb :

> Basically  food,  shelter, medical,  TV/internet..  My life is fairly
> simple,  ..  I don't  have needs for more..
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
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> Oh, that's easy: money plays an existential role in my life. It pays my
> food and shelter and much more. Which role does it play in your life?
>
> Am Dienstag, 24. Februar 2015 schrieb :
>
>> Gabby,  Gabby,  Gabby,  the golden calf factor..  (An idea of your
>> creation) is nothing more than a simple reference to the people whose
>> obsession is the gathering of wealth and possessions. A total life style of
>> greed..
>> Yes it is a biblical reference with the wall street stock market bring
>> represented by a huge bull..  Being an old farm boy a male calf grows  up
>> to be a bull.  The mixture of the two realities create the golden calf
>> factor. The worship of wealth as god.. Look around because we are
>> surrounded  by those that worship money as a "god".
>> The question is just how important is money in your life Gabby?
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
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>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist
>>
>> You keep on reminding us, Allan, yes. I'll hurry up. I have started
>> reading up on the United States Declaration of Independence, but the
>> problem is there, they don't use "golden calf factor" and don't base it on
>> religious reasons but on "Laws of Nature". Thank you for your patience.
>>
>> Am Dienstag, 24. Februar 2015 08:05:54 UTC+1 schrieb Allan Heretic:
>>>
>>> Thats true,  I was thinking more of the US political /religious
>>> system..   Some churches are very good others not so good because of the
>>> golden calf factor..
>>>
>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist
>>>
>>> Religions are closely linked with the treatment of others, including
>>> strangers.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 9:31:57 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Faith in the social system?
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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>>>>
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>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist
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>>>> That is the question pol.  I have faith that lead carbonate will turn
>>>> yellow at 78 degrees, at least in Earth laboratories.  Spent today cleaning
>>>> up after my grandson - little faith in him and considering a ban.  I take
>>>> people as they come.  Not so much about faith in them as hoping they may
>>>> have common interests - fairly rare for me.  Thee seem to be things to hope
>>>> for requiring faith.  Most people expressing faith seem to be doing
>>>> something else to me, in the religious sense.
>>>>
>>>> The big one for me is faith in social systems' claims on what they are
>>>> really doing and can do.  That looks bleak.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 23 February 2015 20:15:52 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting  questions Polly, I think the faith we are discussing  is
>>>>> generically  classified as a power greater than we are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Faith in others. That is an interesting  l)question..  Personally  I
>>>>> try give people the benefit of trust. Until that trust is broken.. A lot 
>>>>> of
>>>>> people don't  care if they are dishonest toward others.
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: polly skid <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 8:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist
>>>>>
>>>>> Faith in what?? I know you mean Faith faith, but, speaking of faith..
>>>>> Why do you think it's tough to have faith in other people...
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2015 11:30 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We might ask at what point faith is so obviously delusional as to
>>>>>> give it up and whether faith can be given up?  Obviously, religions can 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> given up at the drop of a conqueror's hat, despite all previous 
>>>>>> professions
>>>>>> of faith.  So do we overdo faith as an internal matter?  Without the
>>>>>> external misery, scarcity and so on, would there be much need-demand for
>>>>>> inner self-development offered as peaceful light at the end of the tunnel
>>>>>> in better external environments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't find people working much on inner integrity and much more on
>>>>>> image management and backing down to the chief barker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 5:03:43 PM UTC, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reminds me a bit of trying to do a Rubik's cube my nephews had
>>>>>>> rendered impossible by peeling labels off to 'complete' it.  We had a
>>>>>>> debate today with our current Chancellor of five years being blamed for
>>>>>>> doing nothing on tax evasion-avoidance and in turn blaming his 
>>>>>>> predecessor
>>>>>>> for doing nothing five years ago.  Clear proof of just how useless our
>>>>>>> system is and an argument rather like Tony's shape and lack of colour
>>>>>>> here.  I suspect a diversion of our faith to the kind of contentment we
>>>>>>> strive to achieve in domestic herds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 4:23:35 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Faith-Reason"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> "Contentment comes at a very high price, anxiety and fear are often
>>>>>>>> sold to secure the debt"  (™)
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